Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: psyjax on 29 June 2002, 02:32
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Certainly there must be one out there, If their is they need to get active.
Somehow people gotta get organized and start sending stuff to the media. How 'bout it folks? Anyone interested in starting or joinin something?
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count me in!
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me too!
is there such a thing in existence already? if so, post links/instructions please!
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hmmmm, im sure the FSF isn't gonna be pleased about this, maybe we could them to, they do have an anti-dmca petetion.
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Originally posted by Calum:
me too!
is there such a thing in existence already? if so, post links/instructions please!
I can't find anything online. This seems like virgin teritory... anyone want to start a website? I got a ner empty iDisk. Im going to check out other boards to see what the buzz is out there.
But ya, if anyone is interested in collecting info on TCPA and starting a good website on it, let me know. I mmay start collecting these good articles posted on the forum recently and start a sort of link directory... whatever.
Anyone else here with ideas, or suggestions as to how to go about making ourselves heard please post to this thread. If we are the fuck-Microsoft community, then surely we should be a bit pro-active.
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I'd love to... well probably not but your 0.00001% chance of me joining will increase by 100% to 1000000%, if you explain to me what the heck TPCA is. (http://smile.gif)
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Fight the power! Count me in...
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hmmm, tcpa controls what your computer does, it is part of the pallidium architure, it makes sure that "unarthourized" code will not run. since microsoft will be the gatekeeper, guess what, free software probably wont be able to run. and other programers will have to pay an arm and a leg just to get there code "autherized"
ps, my spelling sucks
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I don't think that I can understand the world if everyone makes the Windows Pallidium choice...
Hell, I guess Microsoft is trying more and more to prevent you from copying their crap and make you pay more for their Mickey-Mouseware.
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yeah, but microshat wount tell "users" about there real plans, why would they let mere mortals into the plan of dominateing everything. theyll just bullshit the public and tell them its for there "safety" and not mention any other of the bad effects. people need to be made aware of the true evil purpose of tcpa, not too many people get the fact of what tcpa really means, they just hear they don't have to worry about virus's and think its all good. not to mention 99 percent of these viruss are microsofts fault anyway. i have never heard of a macintosh virus, though i know they exist. the only *nix virus's are enabled by dumb sys-admins. windows virus's are gotten just by using it
[ June 29, 2002: Message edited by: choasforages ]
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I'm thinking of making the site a publicity and information Hub. Linking and archiving info on TCPA and Palladium and making it a big hit target on the web.
I wan't to pen articles and have contributions relating to the dangers of this new threat. Anyone got any suggestions for content?
The proverbial "what should I say?" type question :D
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psyjax, i'm in dude.
i have an empty iDisk also, plus i'm gonna get an angelfire or something shortly so if anyone wants to help set up a site, my ICQ is 21619407. i would suggest that everyone who wants to get involved post their ICQ numbers on here and we can hold a meeting on there and discuss how best to get started...
the important thing first of all is to get organised... then we can get a site up and publicize it, lots of places will link us.
if we even get the most basic facts about palladium out to the general public, they will ditch it. everyone wants mp3s, if nothing else!
i put a proposal together for the Free Software Foundation outlining some details that could be added to the GPL as a safeguard for open source software when palladium comes. if anyone knows someone in the legal profession, that'd be helpful too.
so who's in??? message or email me! we'll set up a meet as soon as there are some interested parties.
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Ok d00dz, TCPA=Blah. Im in! Problem is, what could I do? (http://smile.gif)
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Death to TCPA.
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Cool.
Hehe... I haven't been on the board for a while so I havent seen these responses, but anyway.
I don't want to pull anything Militant, I just want to promote awareness among common user as to the threat this sort of thing poses for them. Get the word out that TCPA is potentialy the most dangerous thing to happen to technology and should be stoped.
We should get usesers to write M$ and other companies asking them not to move forward with this new agenda.
My proposal is to set up a site containing all the information concerning TCPA. Pose some inteligent arguments against it, them mirror that site across the web, to garner high visibility. This is what I am interested in.
What I want folks to do in this thread is start posting info, articles, essays, you got it. I'm going to start building the page tonight with the stuff I already have. I will upload it and submit it for review by you guys.
Then you, or anyone, can mirror it on their own site and Add to it as they wish. The point is to make the issue as visble as possible.
So, go ahead guys! You don't need me to start something :D
Anyway, start posting links and anything you think is usefull and I'll work it into the page.
WarCraft III is ariving at my doorstep in two days, so I better get cracking on a page ASAP ;)
P.s. Also, getting people to write to the Media as well as the Tech. Media about this concern is not a bad idea. If enugh people are interested the news will have to cover the story. Kinda like Amnisty International for computers or something.
[ July 03, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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I am definitely in.
One used to be able to say that just using a different OS would kill Microsoft, but they are now out to take ownership over the traffic of the Internet, and to encode various messages into the hardware of the computer. This not only affects users of Windows, but also affects users of ALL operating systems. It threatens the freedom of the Internet itself.
The Internet cannot be allowed to become privatized. The Internet must stay in the public domain. Otherwise, Microsoft will have control over Internet traffic. One thing you can do with this is block out illegal sites, and they use child porn as an example. Good. But what happens to political dissendents? Will they be censored?
I fully support the creation of a petition, and whatever is needed to stop this. The Free Software Foundation should be up to the task. In fact, we need to unite many different segments if we want success.
One other thing we need to do to open up the movement is to write a very intelligent, clear, consise document. GNU has many documents on their website. The Declaration of Independence was such a document. We need to show everyone that we are not kidding around...that we are dead serious. We need to build a serious movement dedicated to this end. I think we should throw around ideas, and each try to write a document explaining our purposes, our grievances, and our demands. Which ever the group thinks is the best shall be the one that we rally around. More later...
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Alright psyjax and madscientist, glad to hear you're both psyched to get started on this...
psyjax - just searching for 'microsoft palladium' on google will bring up tons of articles, 99% of them highlighting the extreme danger it represents in clear and concise ways. I would definitely link to ALL of them on your new site.
madscientist - I'm putting together an email to send to the FSF regarding some details that could be added to the GPL to pre-empt Palladium. That looks promising, but also it is worth talking to them about what they have in mind. I'm sure they will be glad to hear of our support. I'll be getting in touch with them, and if you have some ideas you want to talk to them about, just go for it and let us know how you do.
I think the best approach for a site such as this is just simple, simple, simple. Direct and to the point. Make a series of key points, each backed up by the hard facts (which speak for themselves), and people will have no problem deciding that M$ is in the wrong here. Tomorrow I'm going to concoct some graphics for the site, so if you're interested I can mail them to you? My add is david.is@ntlworld.com, get in touch if you'd like some graphics.
I spent most of the afternoon posting this news around various Indymedia sites around the US, UK and Canada, including the main Indymedia.org which I have posted an updated version to. I'm just trying to make this issue as visible as possible and I suggest everyone else should too. Indymedia would almost certainly be threatened under a Palladium internet.
It's good that we have knowledge of this while work on the system is still 'in its infancy'. Gives us more time to prepare as many people as we can so the fuckin' thing bombs when it comes on the market.
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Lazygamer - it's easy! Print up some articles and put them in mailboxes, email your friends, make postings on discussion boards all over the web - not just in places like fuckmicrosoft.com, but in places where your average PC user spends time such as on Yahoo groups or on AIM. The most, MOST important thing is to make people aware of what they're getting themselves into if they let Palladium take hold.
Better yet, print out a petition and get people in the streets to sign it - then send it to Microsoft and tell them that everyone on that list will never buy another M$ or Intel product if Palladium is released.
If you have any interest in contributing something to the website we're building, even if it's just some links or some banners or images, either post here or email/ICQ me (address and ICQ # are above).
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Long live TCPA!
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I'M DEFINETELY IN ON THIS! and we also need to make a petition to kill winblows XP user over there, maybe saw him into like 900billion pieces with my rusty spoon......he's gott abe like connected to billg by tha dick or some shit....nobody in their right mind would support this shit....TIME TO KILL THE TCPA PLANS
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http://www.trustedcomputing.org/docs/main%20v1_1b.pdf (http://www.trustedcomputing.org/docs/main%20v1_1b.pdf)
oh my god have you read the stats for this bullshit?
big brother will be watching you!
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Hey, if there are billions of link, then one more can't hurt :D
Anyway, mine will be a HUB. Im starting right now. The site will be Graphic-light, but I'm interested in sugestions/donations. Feel free to drop me a line at my yahoo account:
akakubiyaro@yahoo.com
I don't give real e-mail on boards, to SPAM risky, I have kept my main in Box spam free for years now and It will stay that way. (http://tongue.gif)
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I'd like to get in on this too.
Keep us posted here.
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Hmm, their are definitly bad motives here. Solar Designer wrote a non-exec stack patch for Linux years ago. It isn't that widely used because there aren't that many vulnerabilities in linux.
This TCPA shit is just a way to let M$ write shitty code.
How long will it take to for M$ to learn how to use strncpy instead of strcpy???
Q: how come this ends up with a memory leak in win32?
/* This was tested using Insure++ */
#include <process.h>
main()
{
system("c:\\winnt\\cmd.exe");
}
A: M$ developers don't know what they are doing.
Fuck M$, get a life and die.
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well, maybe after i get back from hawaii, my ethernet card will be here for my powerbook 1400, if it works, ill be able to get an idisk and host it, right????
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Just a quick update, I have the page all laid out, I have an intro page that reads like a pretty decent overview article. I could easely change some stuff around and submit it as an article to the site!
Just a thought, but it could be a FuckMicrosoft article.
Anyway... Im basically finishing that up, then I will compile all the links and stuff. It should be a good page.
If I can publish it by tonight it will be great considering it is teh fourth of july :D
Any data you care to submit, keep it comin on this thread.
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Sounds good. I've been reading a lot about this scary stuff. Check out http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html) for an interesting read on this subject (if you haven't already done so.)
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What can I say, I went to the TCPA homepage and read it. This Palladium stuff is just scary. People need to be informed. They need to know whats really going on. Palladium must be stopped at all costs.
Unfortunately, people trust Microsoft. No reason why, they just do. And if you try to tell them whats going on, they simple take it with a grain of salt. The lack of intelligence of the general populace is Microsoft'$ greatest asset.
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the whole purpose of this venture is to make users aware is it not?
the way to do this, once the anti TCPA site is up, is to include meaningful meta tags in the head of the pages, submit to all the search engines AND indeces, and maybe email to people with sites likely to feature a link to the anti TCPA site (i don't know, maybe toastytech, slashdot, i don't really know who in particular)
Also, i think an antiTCPA article for the M$ erad site would be great, maybe you could just put up the page and email the link to the webmaster, and see what he thinks!
good luck, and anything i can do to help?
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2600 would love to have a link.
www.2600.com (http://www.2600.com)
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psyjax, sorry for not posting in a while, I tried to make some graphics that I thought might be good for your site but it turns out I'm shit at graphics... so you won't be getting them.
Been having a rough time lately, my fears about Palladium are making it worse... I live in the UK so what I will do in terms of direct action is write to the new Director General for Competition at the Eurpean Commission. He has just been appointed and will take up office on the 1st of September, I will write then. He has already warned Micro$hit about Palladium, so maybe he is a good guy.
Email me at david.is@ntlworld if there is anything I can do, and let us have a link when your site is up and running! Can't wait to see it!
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if you want to get windows people to read it, make the tone of the site more imformative than revolutionary.
if i had more time i would work on it with you... i am behind it 100%.
also, explain it in simple terms that grandma on webtv can decipher... these are really the people that it would hurt the most.
just imagine what the world will become if they pull this over.
shit... it's probably already a done deal ::loads gun, looks around nervously::
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It might be a good idea for the site if you make the point that if people don't want email viruses and bugs on their computer, they should ditch Microsoft's products. If you make a big deal out of that it may help to convince 'marginal' users that MS' crappy software is not harmless, but is actually dangerous to the security of their computers because of all its flaws.
I'm sure there must be a ton of articles on the net about that.
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id love to see a site dedicated to this stuff. Last thing we need is for ms and intel to tighten their strangle hold on the pc market.
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Well the key is to show them things that affects the average user the most.
Security flaws and viruses are icing on the anti-tpc cake IMO(not the cake itself), staying away from the "wrong situations" keeps a computer low on hack attacks and viri. Although security+viri is a major issue, I feel it appears as paranoia to a certain extent. Im honestly not saying that it's BS, im just saying that it's not part of your standard n00b desires or concerns.
The spyware issue is worse then security flaws and viruses, it's guranteed to come off as paranoia and be unprovable to the standard person.
What you need is to bring up the issues of compatibility(hardware wise), stability, and speed. Bloat and backwards incompatibility(software wise) are so-so, but not your main anti-Microsoft selling points.
Hmmm wait a sec, were talking about TCPA not Microsoft stuff in general. BUT, what if it could be proven(my above pointS) that Microsoft sucks to the average user about average desires. Then use this as a booster to point out "If these guys make your Windows like this, do you trust them to give you the compatible, fast and stable TCPA interface that you deserve?"
Now in reality, NO ONE deserves a TCPA, it's a flawed concept regardless of who makes it or how good it actually is. However, you must come off as being concerned for their "bang for buck" and not for Microsoft dominating the cyber world etc. In addition, security might be something that could be utilized better to the layman in anti-TCPA arguments.
Before I finish, here's a n00b pro-TCPA argument I thought up. :D
"This may be true what you say about Wind0ze security, but with TCPA Microsoft is constantly monitoring the network. So the ball is out of my court, and in the hands of a massive team of computer security experts."
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Don't give XP any ideas lazygamer... (http://tongue.gif)
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Re: lazygamer
You're right, and I can think of a few anti-Palladium arguments that should be pretty effective:
1) Palladium guarantees no viruses! - Mac and Linux are virus free already, no Palladium required. Most computer security problems are due to massive security loopholes in MS products anyway.
2) Palladium will bring you new and more exciting multimedia web content! - But you won't be able to play mp3s, or videos, or even home videos you've uploaded from your digital video camera, or be able to make backup copies of your CDs or DVDs in case of loss or damage. Also, 65% of your favourite web sites will disappear if Microsoft decides they are not Palladium-approved.
3) Everybody uses Microsoft! - Except the millions of users of Linux, who know that once you've tried REAL computing, you never go back to Microsoft. IBM and Dell have both confirmed their commitment to Linux as the OS of the future - as have online retailers including Amazon.com. Apple has also adopted UNIX as the basis of its awesome Mac OS X, which was developed with the assistance of the Open Source community (who would cease to function under the regime of Palladium).
Make no mistake, Palladium and TCPA are instruments of fascism and nothing less. To submit to them is to submit your control over your own PC forever. The task ahead of us is to present these facts with the most compelling evidence available, and to spread the word!
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PREACH TEH WORD BROTHA! ;)
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Hey folks, I got very Ill since the fourth and was unable to do anything other than lay down and suck food thrugh a straw.
I actually got rushed to the ER for the first time in like ever!
Needless to say it was a pretty scary experience, so I have done little work on the site since the fourth, but Im back on it. Hopefully I'll have it up by the end of the week.
So keep posting links and other info. folks.
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Hey Calum and anyone else who want's to, can write their own thoughts on the isue. I can post them on the site as well.
But as I said, I'm not the best writter in the world, and I intend to make the site very straight forward and not to sensational or inflamatory. Just factual.
So far I think I may submit the main page as an article for the MES. It reads good as one, and with minor alterations it should work.
The working title is "TCPA/Palladium, putting a collar on Guttenberg"
[ July 08, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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count me in
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Hey folks, I got very Ill since the fourth and was unable to do anything other than lay down and suck food thrugh a straw.
I actually got rushed to the ER for the first time in like ever!
You didn't happen to get exposed to Windows XP on or shortly before the 4th did you?
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I see no reason why not. Just write the website in Dreamweaver, or code it by hand, whatever. Drop the whole thing into your Sites folder on your iDisk and you're good to go.
20 megs should be enough for a lot of stuff.
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Originally posted by cocoamix:
I see no reason why not. Just write the website in Dreamweaver, or code it by hand, whatever. Drop the whole thing into your Sites folder on your iDisk and you're good to go.
20 megs should be enough for a lot of stuff.
I HATE Dreamweaver! GoLive all the way babay :D .
I think I may have it up in beta review form tomorow. That is, so you guys can look it over before I submit it to search engines.
BTW, There is an excellent Mac shareware program called PageSpinner. It's only 20 bucks and is an awsome web editing utility! I recomend it to anyone, that's what I'm gonna be using anyway.