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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Aloone_Jonez on 13 February 2005, 01:34
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Well there's a thread to discuss your favorate distro, now how about the one that sucks the most?
Redhat/Fedora
I came to this forum dissing Linux because I'd had a bad experiance with Redhat 9 - it's slower than XP and often locks up. I recently tried Fedora Core 3 and it hasn't improved at all it's just as bloated as ever and to think people criticise Windows for this.
Linspire
I admit I haven't tried Linspire but it sucks because you have to pay to get software that would otherwise be free and their marketing policy is a joke too:http://www.gapmanwebdesign.com/runlinspire.php
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Linare:
http://www.linare.com
MS Linux: :D
http://www.mslinux.org
SCO Linux: (discontinued)
MS Linux to have Start Button
Microsoft is working to incorporate the well known "Start" button from the Windows Platform into X Windows' Gnome interface. "We just can't figure out how the hell to get that darn foot out of there! The damn thing is like stuck." The team will have this feature ready by product launch.
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ive used linspire and it's stupid, and slow. nothing you can get is free with it.
but- people who need warnings on their beverages telling them their cofee could be hot, this is for you, because even a dog can use it with their flash turourial.
mandrakelinux
its bloatware, and freaky slow. it looks stupid on kde, and you cant change 'themes' easily.
the only thing good is that it comes with boatloads of software.
win2000
talk about slow, and stupid, and insecure. a fresh install, and wait a day and you will get about 10 virus' . windows 98 is more secure than this.
the only thing good, is that the person on the computer, its hard for them to do really anything bad with deepfreeze on it if you are restricted account:
and if you arent on the computer (like remotely hacking it) its as easy as stealing candy from a baby.
Mr X
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Linare:
SCO Linux: (discontinued)
Was SCO Linux actully that bad? I used Caldera Linux for years, and was more or less satisfied.
I never tried SCO Linux because I didn't feel the need to update when Caldera changed their name to SCO and released a new version, and then Darl turned them into scum.
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Linspire, since it ends up on cheap machines that enter the average person's home, and subsequently gives Linux a bad name.
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i heard a lot of crap about lindows' shoddy distro, and how the licencing was really prohibitive and the installation and updating were shabby etc, so maybe that one (though i was put off from ever trying it)
the worst one i have ever tried was kmLinux. it is rotten. 100% rubbish in every way. waste 2 CDs and 1300MB of download time if you want to check this, but you're wasting your time.
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MS Linux: :D
http://www.mslinux.org
I'm using NT 5.1 and it doesn't suck half as much as Redhat!
Funny website though :D It's a pitty it hasn't been updated since 2000 :(
Linare:
http://www.linare.com
I've read the marketing shit and it sounded good then I looked at this screen shot:http://www.linare.com/screen_shots/shutdown.html - doesn't this look a bit too similar to Windows XP, it's just puke green instead of blue!
win2000
talk about slow, and stupid, and insecure. a fresh install, and wait a day and you will get about 10 virus' . windows 98 is more secure than this.
the only thing good, is that the person on the computer, its hard for them to do really anything bad with deepfreeze on it if you are restricted account:
and if you arent on the computer (like remotely hacking it) its as easy as stealing candy from a baby.
Windows isn't Linux and I suppose this could have been true for you but I found Win98 far worse than Win2k. Win98 blue screened everyday and Win2k blue sreens about once a month. Win2k is techinically better than Win98 too as Win2K is NT based & Win98 is based on ye old 80s OS known as MS-DOS.
i heard a lot of crap about lindows' shoddy distro, and how the licencing was really prohibitive and the installation and updating were shabby etc, so maybe that one (though i was put off from ever trying it)
I've been put off trying Linspire too, has anyone here actually tried it?
Does it really suck as much shit as people say it does?
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I dislike Vector Linux, Fedora and Linspire.
If a program "maybe" starts up in a minimum of 10 seconds, forget it.
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I dislike Vector Linux, Fedora and Linspire.
Oh I use Vector Linux when I'm not using Windows and there are things I both like and dislike about it.
I like the way it's easy to both use and install and it's light a weight and bloat free modern distro. But I've found it harder to customise than other distros and it seems a bit cobbled together.
I quite like Vector Linux on the whole, what do you dislike about it?
If a program "maybe" starts up in a minimum of 10 seconds, forget it.
What do you mean?
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Oh I use Vector Linux when I'm not using Windows and there are things I both like and dislike about it.
I like the way it's easy to both use and install and it's light a weight and bloat free modern distro. But I've found it harder to customise than other distros and it seems a bit cobbled together.
I quite like Vector Linux on the whole, what do you dislike about it?
What do you mean?
I dislike the lack of customisation in Vector Linux and that Fedora and Linspire are awfully slow.
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Being a Windows user I'm not too bothered about customising things but I deem Windows more customisable than Vector Linux, and Redhat is slower than XP. Vector Linux is improving though with respect to becoming more streamlined and hopefully it will become more customisable too.
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Was SCO Linux actully that bad? I used Caldera Linux for years, and was more or less satisfied.
I never tried SCO Linux because I didn't feel the need to update when Caldera changed their name to SCO and released a new version, and then Darl turned them into scum.
"SCO" didn't care about Linux like "Caldera" did. I think they even rebuilt a lot of it for the name change.
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I'm using NT 5.1 and it doesn't suck half as much as Redhat!
Funny website though :D It's a pitty it hasn't been updated since 2000 :(
one thing i think windows really sucks ass at is that it comes with very little usable applications software. most (all popular) *ix distros come with a huge selection of ready-configured apps, the likes of which you'd pay hundreds for and spend days installing under windows. i mean just check out your post above, clearly windows doesn't even come with a spellchecker! :-D ;-)
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one thing i think windows really sucks ass at is that it comes with very little usable applications software. most (all popular) *ix distros come with a huge selection of ready-configured apps, the likes of which you'd pay hundreds for and spend days installing under windows.
That's one of the things greats about Linux.
i mean just check out your post above, clearly windows doesn't even come with a spellchecker! :-D ;-)
LOL true!
I normally type all my posts into OpenOffice Writer and spell check them before hand but I obviously didn't bother on that occasion. Anyway Calum the spellchecker you use can
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Knoppix can run KDE on 88MB of RAM without a swap file and Fedora/Mandrake/Linspire all need at least 256MB with a 512MB swap file and even then the performance is questionable. I just don't get it Knoppix detects all of my devices ok (except for my winmodem) and it auto mounts CDs and my digital camera and does all the stuff all the bloatware distros do yet requiring a fraction of the resources.
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Anyway Calum the spellchecker you use can
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i never liked fedora... although i used to use redhat all the time. I can't recall many that i actually tried and disliked. I think im just a loving person.
Ahh.. i think the "distro" i tried to make with build your own linux and failed would have to be the shittyest i tried to use.
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Well, my vote must go to Ubuntu - not because it's a shitty distro exactly, but because it's the only distro I've ever tried whose installer failed to recognise the partition table on /dev/hda, so I couldn't even install it. :rolleyes:
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Well there's a thread to discuss your favorate distro, now how about the one that sucks the most?
Redhat/Fedora
I came to this forum dissing Linux because I'd had a bad experiance with Redhat 9 - it's slower than XP and often locks up. I recently tried Fedora Core 3 and it hasn't improved at all it's just as bloated as ever and to think people criticise Windows for this.
Linspire
I admit I haven't tried Linspire but it sucks because you have to pay to get software that would otherwise be free and their marketing policy is a joke too:http://www.gapmanwebdesign.com/runlinspire.php
I don't know whats in your crackpipe, but I have Fedora Core 3 running beautifully on my machine over here (PIII 850), with still plenty of ram to spare, does it do nothing? Hell no.
It runs SMBD which is freqently used by me to watch DVD's in bed from my laptop which stream off the harddisk, try getting this to run reliably with Windows XP hosting the files, or Windows 2003 Server, I have tried both and it works terribly.
It runs Apache2/PHP as well hosting a SSL powered forum along with MySQL which take up a reasonable amount of memory together. Especially using SSL!
It hosts SSH, NFS, Webmin, and snort (better security then anything Microsoft ships with, Fedora Core 3 ships with this, some of the most advanced IDS security around, for nothing).
Along with that it constantly runs XMMS and mplayer so I can watch movies and listen to music, so it doubles as a multimedia station. It runs WindowMaker and usually has 5 workspaces running with xterms spawled across them to monitor things, it also constantly runs Bittorrent and Nicotine.
Oh and Gaim, another 10mb or so of ram.
This system has 375mb of ram availible to Linux, with 190Mb free at the moment.
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My windows XP laptop is currently running Gaim, Firefox, Cygwin, Windowblinds, Google Mail Notifier, The OpenOffice Quicklaunch, and a virus checker (somthing I dont even need on Linux).
It has an AMD 2600+ Mobile Sempron.
It has 512mb of ram.
It boots slowerer then the fedora machine which is packed with services and other things.
It is currently using 381mb of ram.
Even when the Fedora Core 3 machine was running Gnome 2.8, it used far less ram and still started slightly faster.
So where is the bloat?
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Oh and the XP Laptop has some other problems as well...
* Freqent issues with networking, suddenly all TCP based conenctions are refused and cut, and ICMP only works. When I often try to select the "Repair" mode or simpily disable and renable the Local Area Network it stalls and causes the Operating System to crash.
* While doing some bandwidth testing with some software, it got a STOP error and an instant reboot, networking related.
* I have had no problems like this using Knoppix for network testing from now on, and have tried to crash it many times, because I figured it was the network adapter: Nope, Windows, or the Adapters Driver (provided by Microsoft) is fucked.
* Lack of POSIX compliance.
* Lack of Software compatibility (see above) for the software I run.
* Poor filesystem (no case sensitivity)
* Poor security updates system (getting informed about updates is rather hit and miss)
* Poor control over how security updates are handled, you get three options with this.
* Openoffice loads quicker on my Pentium III.
* Using any decent themes requires third party software that is shareware.
* Poor webbrowser shipped with Operating System.
* Poor stability with explorer.exe
* Poor interface on Microsoft provided Instant Messengers (and features) MSN 7.0 does not support: Tabs, Mouse Gestures, Buddy Pounce, Multiprotocol, and also the Interface is horrible to use and navigate.
* Poor control over soundcard (I have noticed on this laptop and on my PC that Linux is literally LOUDER then windows in sound output and because of this greater sound output the amount of noise on the line is far less then in Windows.
* Specialist DVD and CD recording requires serveral third party applications.
* DVD ripping requires more third party applications.
* Windows Media Player 10 causes many issues with proformance, more third party software required.
Fedora Core 3 on the other hand, does not need so much third party software to get things done, Fedora Core 3 features far more advanced security, A far more advanced Graphical User Interface and Command Line Interface.
Windows XP Home costs money
Fedora Core 3 was originally Fedora Core 1, which I got off a friend, which was then upgraded when I got apt-get.
So uhm, where is the bloat.
Moreso, Windows does not run most my applications, that is a fact, and a sad one at that when millions of loosers with subaverage genitals bitch about Linux and Software compatibility.
Yes! I am downloading the FC3 DVD as we speak to never use Microsloth again, like I did before I got the laptop.
After nearly three months (got it for christmas), Windows can get fucked... forever.
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http://web.aanet.com.au/kintaro/images/badass-bittorrent.jpg
http://web.aanet.com.au/kintaro/images/server-bandwidth.jpg
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Oh no I knew I would probably upset some Fedora fanboy. :)
But I've found both Windows XP and knoppix faster than Redhat 9.0 and I got rid of Fedora a soon as I installed it.
Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.
The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.
My machine is:
1800MHz
32MB Pro S3 savage graphics card.
256MB RAM
Yes I know it's not great, I don't use it for networking programming listening to music watching videos games ect.
I use it for burning CDs, surfing the net, Word processing, electronic circuit simulation - somthing that Linux can't do very well yet as all the simulation software is Windows only and there are not good Linux programs for this, but I've had this discussion before; http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8833
I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!
So I'm happy for you but I'll just keep using Windows for my main OS and Vector Linux/Knoppix when I'm in a Linuxy mood.
This thread wasn't designed to piss anyone off or be anti-Linux I just realised Linux isn't all good they're some really shitty distros out there even though most are good. What might work well for you might suck for someone else and vice versa.
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Kintaro...dude...waayyyy too many processes. :D I'm running 72....
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Oh no I knew I would probably upset some Fedora fanboy. :)
But I've found both Windows XP and knoppix faster than Redhat 9.0 and I got rid of Fedora a soon as I installed it.
Fedora Core 3 and Red-Hat 9.0 are different things, stop babbleing... lunatic.
Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.
Then turn use the other driver in Fedora, moron.
The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.
My machine is:
1800MHz
32MB Pro S3 savage graphics card.
256MB RAM
Yes I know it's not great, I don't use it for networking programming listening to music watching videos games ect.
I use it for burning CDs, surfing the net, Word processing, electronic circuit simulation - somthing that Linux can't do very well yet as all the simulation software is Windows only and there are not good Linux programs for this, but I've had this discussion before; http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8833
Crossover Office will probably run it however, I can get Macromedia Flash, Photoshop 9.0, Internet Explorer, and all kinds of crap to run in it with no problem at all.
I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!
Knoppix does seem to be very badass in that respect. I used to run all latest RC releases on my PIII before it became a server and everything, never had a kernel panic, the word kernel panic to me means: fucked hardware. But then, I never used Red-Hat 9.0, I remember having some problems with Red-Hat 8.0 and using slackware for the longest time.
So I'm happy for you but I'll just keep using Windows for my main OS and Vector Linux/Knoppix when I'm in a Linuxy mood.
I used to be a like that, but then, I'm seventeen now and I have been running Linux on at least one system, or one partition since I was 13.
This thread wasn't designed to piss anyone off or be anti-Linux I just realised Linux isn't all good they're some really shitty distros out there even though most are good. What might work well for you might suck for someone else and vice versa.
Yes, well when I think back, Red-Hat can be very piss_you_off with a lot of things. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I cannot stand the Windows Interface, I have cygwin but still... Windows' Neanderthol Filesystem (what the fuck are drive letters doing in the 21st century) has its problems with making that easily managable (with the fact cygwin works hte UNIX way).
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Fedora Core 3 and Red-Hat 9.0 are different things, stop babbleing... lunatic.
I tried both and I don't like either of them.
Then turn use the other driver in Fedora, moron.
Yes but I could turn on my computer and start Vector Linux or Windows and be ready to work in a minute rather that waiting ages for Fedora to boot.
Crossover Office will probably run it however, I can get Macromedia Flash, Photoshop 9.0, Internet Explorer, and all kinds of crap to run in it with no problem at all.
I've tried Wine and it didn't work.
I'd rather not buy Crossover Office and then risk discovering it doesn't work. You're retarded, why the fuck do you run MSIE under Linux?
Knoppix does seem to be very badass in that respect. I used to run all latest RC releases on my PIII before it became a server and everything, never had a kernel panic, the word kernel panic to me means: fucked hardware. But then, I never used Red-Hat 9.0, I remember having some problems with Red-Hat 8.0 and using slackware for the longest time.
Yes Redhat 9 did but Fedora didn't it was just a very slow.
I used to be a like that, but then, I'm seventeen now and I have been running Linux on at least one system, or one partition since I was 13.
I'm still contemplating buying another PC to run Linux on. I go to auction every week and next time there's a half decent blank PC I'll test it with my knoppix disk. Blank PCs always go cheap as people are dumb and think they don't work because Windows isn't installed.
Yes, well when I think back, Red-Hat can be very piss_you_off with a lot of things. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I cannot stand the Windows Interface, I have cygwin but still... Windows' Neanderthol Filesystem (what the fuck are drive letters doing in the 21st century) has its problems with making that easily managable (with the fact cygwin works hte UNIX way
Well I don't want a challenge I just want to get my work done. And yes the Windows file systemm is shitty but I don't have a problem with the Windows interface - I'm used to it. If I go for Linux it'll be Vector Linux or knoppix installed on the hard disk. Fedora lists a minium requirement of 256MB of ram in graphic mode and 192MB in text mode! wtf knoppix can run a full GUI with KDE and no swap file/partition with just 84MB and Vector Linux will run a gui (XFCE instead of KDE) in 32MB, or 16MB for text mode.
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Kintaro...dude...waayyyy too many processes. :D I'm running 72....
WMD, yes bloated isn't it?
I run Vector Linux with XFCE on 256MB of ram and the swap partition is very rarely used, you have 512MB and you're only running a few programs and it's using 438.375MB of swap space.
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I Run Fedora On My PC Box I Must Admit It Takes A Few Mins To Boot But After Boot It Is Very Fast
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Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.
can i just say something?:
CONFIGURABILITY!
there, i said it. how fast can you *make* windows boot up, and how fast can you *make* fedora boot up. sure, you might think fedora's default configuration sucks the brown goo from satan's scaly ringpiece, but with a linux distribution you can configure it a hell of a lot to work just how you like, in a lot of ways. by contrast windows has a huge wadge of deliberately unintelligible jibberish (known to many as the registry) instead of a human readable /etc directory, and consequently you can't do very much that you want to configure system level things with it.
The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.
hmm, fair enough, but then think about this, why doesn't windows eat RAM as efficiently as red hat in circumstances where more RAM is available? and why is it that i have often (in the past admittedly) heard that red hat can be made to run properly on low RAM systems, where windows simply will not run?
I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!
i'm not trying to insult you here, because i think user-friendliness is something that linux distros really lack compared with the expectations of windows users, however if you get past that, and imagine that a user can configure their linux system to their own preferences, you must see that if knoppix works well, fedora should be able to be made to work at least as well, on a specific machine.
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well i know fodora core 3 sucks on my amd 64, its been a nitmare just to get it in.
i burned 8 no 1 iso images, the other disc's no problem, its has its own drive, my buddy say's linux is great bla bla fine if your a programer, not for window's users at all, stupid intellent fucks lol
ok i know its in the coverting linux word commands into english , the system cross references too much, than they use comands words to cross reference comand words, still can not install video card drivers. my linux buddy tried following the instructions to no avail. I think they should worry less about trying to out bloat windows, well my drive buggered up and some my buddy puts knoppix in my ram, and ran it from there! Sweet thats a good OS one cd, quick to install , has kde
Yet the fedora fall real short on my first linux experience, but the knoppix keeps my interest
I want to run a server with apache but if its like fodora forget it, yet the other day i spyed with my eye solaris 10 sun mirco systems now that puppy is kick ass. has apache in it, looks very automated , perhaps they should send linux OS there for makeover?:tux:
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fedora is a very powerful distro, i run my external server on it:
IMAP Mail (Dovecot)
SMTP (Postfix) might go to QMail
HTTP (Apache)
FTP (VsFTPD)
IRC (UnrealIRCD)
MySQL (MySQLD)
this took me less then 6 hours to work out, it was my first server on linux, before i switched all servers to linux they were running winshit 2k3 :scared: "winshit2k3 the way to be insecure" :thumbdwn: lmfao
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no-no .
you can easily customise your windows install.
itz called litePC http://www.litepc.com
i used the win98 thing, and it works great. goody goody
oh yeah-
Gentoo Linux=
poo linux.
its not possible for a nubie to install it, so dont even try it if you wanna do linux. i am going to try vector linux next.
Mr X
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Mandrake
Lindows
Xandros
Xandros takes the fucking cake.
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no-no .
you can easily customise your windows install.
itz called litePC http://www.litepc.com
i used the win98 thing, and it works great. goody goody
hmm, you fail to convince me that litepc provides all the configurability that a linux system can provide. and i'm not even talking about being able to recompile your software with open source programs, i am simply talking about the common practice of readable config files. but i will let you discredit yourself with this stunning example of your obvious credentials to comment on the suitability of one piece of software over another:
oh yeah-
Gentoo Linux=
poo linux.
:D :D :D :D :D
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can i just say something?:
CONFIGURABILITY!
there, i said it. how fast can you *make* windows boot up, and how fast can you *make* fedora boot up. sure, you might think fedora's default configuration sucks the brown goo from satan's scaly ringpiece, but with a linux distribution you can configure it a hell of a lot to work just how you like, in a lot of ways. by contrast windows has a huge wadge of deliberately unintelligible jibberish (known to many as the registry) instead of a human readable /etc directory, and consequently you can't do very much that you want to configure system level things with it.
hmm, fair enough, but then think about this, why doesn't windows eat RAM as efficiently as red hat in circumstances where more RAM is available? and why is it that i have often (in the past admittedly) heard that red hat can be made to run properly on low RAM systems, where windows simply will not run?
i'm not trying to insult you here, because i think user-friendliness is something that linux distros really lack compared with the expectations of windows users, however if you get past that, and imagine that a user can configure their linux system to their own preferences, you must see that if knoppix works well, fedora should be able to be made to work at least as well, on a specific machine.
I suppose you would have to recompile the kernel, and WMD wasn't using the default configureation, Fedora has KDE or GNOME not XFCE as default. I'm running XP and the pager file is only
175MB. I would imagine with KDE instead of XFCE the swap memory usage would be a lot higher. To be honest I would rather not bother, I would rather run Windows or if even better Vector Linux or knoppix if it would run my software.
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you have 512MB and you're only running a few programs and it's using 438.375MB of swap space.
It's Slackware, and I had War and Peace (yes, the whole thing) loaded into Abiword. :D
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Then why did you imply it was Fedora?
I feel kind of silly now!
You've play a very dirty prank on us all!
Anyway, how much swap memory does it use with out all of that shit loaded?
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Then why did you imply it was Fedora?
I never did that. ;)
I feel kind of silly now!
You've play a very dirty prank on us all!
The prank's on me, actually. I didn't realize I was using so much memory. :o
Anyway, how much swap memory does it use with out all of that shit loaded?
I couldn't tell you right now...I closed Abiword but for some reason it's using even more...595MB...right now. I think Mozilla is leaking memory, it's using 416MB. Usually, I use around 50MB swap.
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Ok, I restarted Mozilla just for you. ;)
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i can get a win98 with litepc to fully load from the power button to when there is no hdd activity in 5 seconds.
mind you- this is with using lite pc micro installation, tweaked registry start up, some other things tweaked a little bit.
950mhz duron, 7200rpm 8mb cache hdd, fresh install, with nothing else.
so dont say that windows is 'so slow'
Mr X
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I suppose you would have to recompile the kernel,
suppose as you like, i was talking about switching services on and off in the boot scripts actually but i am sure there are a lot of other ways to make your system leaner, like recompiling the kernel right enough. To be honest I would rather not bother, I would rather run Windows or if even better Vector Linux or knoppix if it would run my software.
you're with the majority there, but then the envelope was never pushed by people who would rather not bother! :-D
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I've read the marketing shit and it sounded good then I looked at this screen shot:http://www.linare.com/screen_shots/shutdown.html - doesn't this look a bit too similar to Windows XP, it's just puke green instead of blue!
Interesting that Linare should get mentioned early. Worst distro I ever tried. That damn thing doesn't include gcc! :eek: Out of the box, it's impossible to compile an app and install from source. Furthermore, for whatever reason, nothing would connect to the 'Net. KPPP said that it had a connection, however, Mozilla, Konqueror, and ftp said that there was no connection. This is something I have never seen with any other distro, no matter how "broken" it otherwise was (ex. ELX (http://www.elxlinux.com) -- pretty buggy, but at least its browsers worked). What the hell good is that? :mad:
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The worst distro definately is err, I don't know. Well, any distro that is anything like windows. My favourite one has to be SUSE.
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The worst distro definately is err, I don't know. Well, any distro that is anything like windows. My favourite one has to be SUSE.
In stability, or in interface? Because SuSE has copied a bit from the Windows interface, like Windows has many things stolen from KDE.
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I suppose these Favorate and shittyest distro threads don't mean much as you can set up a shit distro to be good by recompling the kernel and doing lots other reconfiguring and you can make a really good distro suck shitt by the same means. But in these threads I am refering to the default configurations. As muzzy keeps saying Windows isn't too bad if you set it up right but the default confirurations sucks major shit.
It's also a matter of personal taste. I prefur Vector Linux because it's lightweight and easy to use.
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If I were to install Windows,
I'd have to install Windows Update...
Run some updates, reboot, run some more updates, reboot as required
More updating and rebooting.
Then i'd have to try and find a free antivirus.
Download and install that.
Reboot and Scan.
Then i'd have to find a free firewall.
Download and install that.
Then i'd have to find a free Anti Spyware.
Download and install that.
Then i'd have to find a free Anti Adware.
Download and install that.
Now it's time for searching for drivers for my scanner/printer/mouse/keyboard/monitor/sound card/graphics card/ethernet card/tv card etc.
Install all of those, with rebooting after most.
If I were to install Linux,
I would install my favourote dsitro.
Haha! Poor Fuzzy or Muffy w/e doesn't have a clue :)
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As regards the worst distro:
Linspire (formely Lindows).
Simply because they lock you into a prepriatory system, and charge you a subscription for it.
Not free or Free, so I don't like it.
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As regards the worst distro:
Linspire (formely Lindows).
Simply because they lock you into a prepriatory system, and charge you a subscription for it.
Not free or Free, so I don't like it.
And the fact that you run standard as "root", making it easier to use.
This is the kind of stuff that gets Linux and unsecurity bundled. Bad users, and now, bad distro's.
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Refalm,
If Linspire sucks so much shit then why do you just remove it from the list of alternatives?
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Refalm,
If Linspire sucks so much shit then why do you just remove it from the list of alternatives?
Because its still an alternative.
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And the fact that you run standard as "root", making it easier to use.
This is the kind of stuff that gets Linux and unsecurity bundled. Bad users, and now, bad distro's.
The whole default root thing is old news, VERY old news, yaknow.
Or am I wrong?
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Refalm,
If Linspire sucks so much shit then why do you just remove it from the list of alternatives?
Because it's not Microsoft, and I'm unable to do that anymore :(
The whole default root thing is old news, VERY old news, yaknow.
Or am I wrong?
Old news, yes. But still valid.
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If I were to install Windows,
I'd have to install Windows Update...
Run some updates, reboot, run some more updates, reboot as required
More updating and rebooting.
I have SP2 slipstreamed into my XP install disc. One pass at Windows update is all that's required after an install.
Then i'd have to try and find a free antivirus.
Download and install that.
Reboot and Scan.
Why reboot and scan, if it's a clean system? Turn the XP firewall on before plugging in the Rj45 cable - or if you have win2k, disbale file and printer sharing first.
Then i'd have to find a free firewall.
Download and install that.
Firewalls are overrated, and uneccessary.The built in XP firewall is sufficient to fend off worm type attacks if your to lazy to turn off services, or patch your machine. Outbound blocking is overrated. If you have malware on your PC, you've already lost the battle.
Then i'd have to find a free Anti Spyware.
Download and install that.
Why? Do you plan on surfing donkey porn sites using IE while logged on as an administrator?
Then i'd have to find a free Anti Adware.
Download and install that.
Well since you are so intent on surfing donkey porn, I thought I'd let you know that there are apps that do both adware/spyware.
Now it's time for searching for drivers for my scanner/printer/mouse/keyboard/monitor/sound card/graphics card/ethernet card/tv card etc.
Install all of those, with rebooting after most.
Oh no! Installing drivers! You never have to do that with Linux, right? You, know, you can install multiple drivers in Windows 2000/XP without having to reboot after each.
If I were to install Linux,
I would install my favourote dsitro.
Yes, because it's common knowlege that Linux distros magically set themselves up to each users exact specifications without ever needing any kind of post installation maintenance.
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I have SP2 slipstreamed into my XP install disc. One pass at Windows update is all that's required after an install.
So you basically have to buy a new version of Windows XP or order an SP2 CD-ROM to skip all the updates?
Why reboot and scan, if it's a clean system? Turn the XP firewall on before plugging in the Rj45 cable - or if you have win2k, disbale file and printer sharing first.
You're obviously into computers. Most people aren't, and let their computer on a direct Internet connection.
Firewalls are overrated, and uneccessary.The built in XP firewall is sufficient to fend off worm type attacks if your to lazy to turn off services, or patch your machine. Outbound blocking is overrated. If you have malware on your PC, you've already lost the battle.
Again, you know how to fend off malware, even with a firewall which believes that outbound blocking is overrated.
But most users don't. How are they supposed to know what's best for them?
And how is outbound blocking supposed to be overrated? It costs less time and effort for a firewall to reject the bad packets before they enter the computer.
Why? Do you plan on surfing donkey porn sites using IE while logged on as an administrator?
You get spyware in these days by just going to a news site that gets money from Gator, Doubleclick, etc.
Oh no! Installing drivers! You never have to do that with Linux, right? You, know, you can install multiple drivers in Windows 2000/XP without having to reboot after each.
Installing drivers nowdays is almost done automatically. And if not, you can always install it.
Yes, because it's common knowlege that Linux distros magically set themselves up to each users exact specifications without ever needing any kind of post installation maintenance.
In the Windows XP installation, you get to choose almost nothing.
And in the Longhorn installation you have two options: admin password and in what directory you want to install it.
No thanks, I prefer the neat packet management of Linux.
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So you basically have to buy a new version of Windows XP or order an SP2 CD-ROM to skip all the updates?
Nah, you can rebuild your XP CD to include files from SP2 instead of the originals. There's apps that can automate this.
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What's so bad about Mandrake? I actually like it. Maybe because it's my first Linux, and apart from that I only tried Ubuntu.
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What's so bad about Mandrake? I actually like it. Maybe because it's my first Linux, and apart from that I only tried Ubuntu.
I too used to like Mandrake, I used it for a very long time.
As soon as I tried Slackware I saw the light ;)
They say "use mandrake you know mandrake, use slackware you know linux".
This is deffinetly true, I learnt a lot about Linux via Slack.
I then discovered Ubuntu, which is a beauty and I love her ;D
Mandrake is bloatware, and so is KDE. Pair them together is a bad idea ;p
I don't think it has a very nice package management system either.
It can handle RPMs, but Fedora is better at it.
It has an 'Installer', which is nothing when compared to Ubuntu's 'Synaptic'.
If you have malware on your PC, you've already lost the battle.
Are you refering to Windows XP?
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So, is Ubuntu unbloated?
And can I use the mandrake cds I have to install software on my new Ubuntu-to-be?
I know it's probably better do download everything, but I don't have a broadband connection yet... working on it.
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Debain sucks! I cant get X to work.