Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: neo_x500 on 26 July 2002, 11:53
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I just came across this great site about Microsoft, and how they managed to take over the computer market. It's kinda funny how it all happened really. http://www.vcnet.com/bms/features/serendipities.html (http://www.vcnet.com/bms/features/serendipities.html)
Basically, this site says that they got lucky, it was just a run of luck that put Microsoft in charge of what goes on our Boxes when they are shipped. Luck, and some extortion, and probably a little bribing. But if we are going to blame anyone, I know exactly who to blame, how about the people at an old company called CP/M, but by some fluke, they screwed up. Anyway, read the article, I'm sure that most of you knew this stuff anyway, but I thought it was a little interesting.
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There luck will have to run out some time.... wont it?
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Oh god I hope so. You've heard the phrase, right? you know, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. I'm starting to think that the public, as a whole, is a bunch of incompitent, morons. A person can be smart, but people are dumb, with all these news reports, you would think that Microsofts stock would drop like a led balloon. Oh well...
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you should become A Bob (http://www.cultofbob.tk). The cult of Bob (http://www.cultofbob.tk) sounds perfect for you.
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or maybe a Bokononist (http://alumni.aitec.edu.au/~bwechner/Documents/Bokonon/Intro.html)... Even better, become an integrational polytheist! Hey! that's a great idea! i think i will start my religion online and have a website for integrational polytheism!!! wow!! (sorry i know that's really off topic, i'll shut up now.)
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Sorry, I'm Monotheist, and don't have any plans to change. Maybe if I pray hard enough, God will strike bill gates down with lightning. I would love to become a Bob, but unfortuneately I'm alergic to hampsters. LOL :) Sorry, but I like my ability to think for myself, that's kinda whats keeping me from joining those dumb people I was talking about. But I'll will say something- I am Bob:) lol. Anyway, if we stopped thinking, like you cult of Bob says to do, wouldn't that make it easier for Bill to take over?
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You could always join the Church of the SubGenius and become a follower of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs Jr.
http://www.subgenius.com/ (http://www.subgenius.com/)
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Originally posted by Neo:
Sorry, I'm Monotheist, and don't have any plans to change. Maybe if I pray hard enough, God will strike bill gates down with lightning. I would love to become a Bob, but unfortuneately I'm alergic to hampsters. LOL :) Sorry, but I like my ability to think for myself, that's kinda whats keeping me from joining those dumb people I was talking about. But I'll will say something- I am Bob:) lol. Anyway, if we stopped thinking, like you cult of Bob says to do, wouldn't that make it easier for Bill to take over?
We would kill bill gates for he is not Bob.
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Yeah, but it's the thinking thing that bothers me, sure, it causes wars and death, but it is also what gives us the technology around us. Actually the problems are caused by people who suddenly stop thinking. Like the president, he uses his head to get into office, and when he gets there, he screws up. Now I know that he was a moron to begin with, but his plan wasn't completely thought out. Here is a question I have for you though, sure, the cult of bob would discriminate against all that aren't Bobs, and we would Kill Gates, but what if he became a Bob, then the biggest Monoply would still have power, and the Bob's would be helpless to stop it. Because they couldn't think for themselves, and, they would all be stuffed on hampsters. There are a few flaws to the plan. That's the problem with utopian societies, when the plan is written down on paper, it looks good. Like Communism, but there is always someone around, or something that screws it up. Take Russia, that was supposed to be a Utopian society, but Stalin ended up killing more people from starvation than Hitler did during the Holocost. The fact is that Utopias don't exist, not yet anyway. Maybe, someday, society can do something to remove all the corruption it has caused on itself. Killing off evil corporation owners like Bill Gates would help too.
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The IBM design team knew immediately which operating
system it wanted for the new computer, then code-named
"Acorn." They wanted CP/M, a product of Gary Kildall's Digital Research, of Pacific Grove, California. But when IBM
first approached Digital Research, the company's founder
Gary Kildall was out of the office for the day. In his absence, Kildall's wife and business associates were
reluctant to sign the stringent IBM nondisclosure agreement.
The IBM representatives left the Digital Research offices without even divulging the purpose of their visit.
Luck indeed! Gary Kildall and/or his wife and associates unleashed a never ending chain of events. I wonder why they didn't just beg IBM that they would be making a huge mistake to go with anyone else, and that Gary Kildall would contact them back ASAP. Dammit, they coulda saved that day.
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Oh wait, they never divulged the purpose of the buisness. So it's also IBM's fault too. Had they only told them why they had come. I mean im sure Gary could of contacted them within a day, a single day is hardly much time.
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So great was the pin-striper's confidence in IBM that
they were prepared to buy into MS-DOS, even though this
awkward and archaic method of running a computer was clearly
inspired more by the past than by any vision for the future.
Awkward and archaic? Well maybe to a n00b, but don't command line systems offer the highest capability for resource and power efficiency, due to their simplicity?
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WOW! Great article! One thing that seems wierd though, how is it Microsoft suceeded through pure luck? If there was 1000 other Microsoft wannabes who died, then I can understand. Problem is, MS was likely more of an exception then a rule. Most companies are COMPETENT! It seems wierd that ONE out of ONE(instead of one 1 of 1000) can pull off all this luck.
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not if it's a single user, single tasking OS with a horrible command line interface .....
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not if it's a single user, single tasking OS with a horrible command line interface .....
Ok, but if it was DOS capable of using modern technology or ancient technology, multi-tasking, multi-user piece of technology totally untouched by Microsoft? Then would it be the best you can get for simplicity, power, fixability, and stability?
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CP/M kinda had a little bad luck, they could have been in a very powerful position today, but I don't know if I really feel sorry for them, since they ptobably would have taken microsofts place as a monopoly. IBM, well, nobody really feels sorry for IBM since they are just as corrupt a any other greedy corporation. Microsoft is a company built on runs of good luck, and Backstabbing. He screwed over the Company that made Qdos, which ripped it off from CP/M. Later he blackmailed Apple into giving him rights to their OS programming, by threatening not to release some Applications MS had designed for Apple, and helped him win the lawsuit filed against him, when MS used the technology Apple had designed, stuff Apple owned the rights to. And now Gates complains about people making some copied software off of Windows. Fucking Hypocritic asshole. His company is so corrupt, tha aventually it will fall one day, it's corrupt from the bottom up, and anyone knows that you can't build an empire on a weak foundation. I'm on a full blown rant now, but this shit is pissing me off. Hey, MS User, I hope you have a comment on this, so what if one OS works better than another, maybe you should consider it from a moral stand point. Your helping a monopoly corrupt the planet, but forcing other companies out of Business. Do something usefull, help take down these evil, greedy people, who don't deserve what they have. Of course that's just my opinion.
-Neo
"the matrix has you"
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Ok, but if it was DOS capable of using modern technology or ancient technology, multi-tasking, multi-user piece of technology totally untouched by Microsoft? Then would it be the best you can get for simplicity, power, fixability, and stability?
Then it would be called "UNIX".
Modern DOS is just as brain dead as the DOS of old. UNIX had been around for a LONG time before that. Wonder why they didn't just use their UNIX OS for PCs then, and skip the crap in between? I mean hell, M$ actually had a version of UNIX of their own (XENIX) that they actually used to write the first DOS versions. But they charged an arm and a leg for XENIX, and charged very little for DOS, maybe because it was crap. Now they have piled more crap on top of the original small pile of crap and they just have a bigger pile of crap. Only now it is significantly higher priced. If they just would have started with XENIX maybe they would have a secure and reliable OS today. It took Apple quite a long time to figure it out. I don't think M$ will ever figure it out.
Maybe it's IBMs fault for thinking they needed a new proprietary small and dumb OS for these little machines...
[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Well that settles it, Unix r0x0rs. Wouden't you want to use a modern system that uses Unix? Thus Linux=Unix and Unix=l33t so Linux=L33t. Should be reason enough to switch, although Xpee user probably imagines Unix as being "outdated, slow, buggy and bloated" thus Linux=Unix Unix=unl33t and thus Linux=unl33t. :D
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In my opinion BSD, SYSV, Linux, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX SCO, IRIX, Darwin, etc, all ~= UNIX. Well, maybe not SCO, because I hate SCO. (http://smile.gif) But that is my definition of UNIX. It is so much easier to say "UNIX" than "UNIX Like". But I stand the chance of getting the BSD peoples panties in a wad over my definition. But hell, SCO actually held the rights to the name for a while so who really cares. I say they are all UNIX. They all have the basic POSIX compliancy. They all have the same basic file system layout and structure. They all operate in very similar ways.
And UNIX certainly is not outdated. When you design something properly from the beginning and constantly improve on that design, as all of the above OSs have, then it will never become "outdated". Now when the design was flawed from the beginning and constantly hacked into something worse, then you end up with Windows XP.
Why do you suppose Linus decided to create an open source version of a UNIX kernel rather than an open source version of a DOS/WIN kernel? Because DOS/Win sucks, that's why. It's extremely hardware specific (M$ tried to port NT to other arcitectures and failed miserably, back to x86 only they are). It's not very scalable. It's as fucking boring as watching grass grow.
Why is it that there are many UNIX like operating systems and only one Windows? Well, there are actually several reasons for this question. First and formost M$ doesn't want to play with others. Some of the other reasons I mentioned in the previous paragraph. All UNIX Like operating systems are based on standards that everyone agrees on. They are designed to interoperate with the others. M$ has deliberately designed their OS not to interoperate with others. And as soon as someone reverse engineers their protocols they crap out another version with something changed, always trying to stay one step ahead of someone trying to interoperate with them. They do not publish their protocol and API specifications (at least not accurately and detailed).
[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Wow, regardless of the learning curve with Linux, hearing so much about Linux's father Unix make you fantasize about what the other side(teh rebels) must be like!
I wonder if they'll still be using *nix stuff 150 years from now in 1trillion MHZ super computers? I'd say yes. Chances are firearms will be here 150 years from now. Firearms are an incredibly simple concept compared to lasers, electricity, or plasma. In the same way, Unix could be considered the "incredibly simple and effective concept" for computers. Windows is your complex energy weapon... complex energy weapon made with very cheap parts and flawed design in a poor black market factory. :D