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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: MrX on 23 March 2005, 03:47

Title: Mr X's creations and VAX/VMS
Post by: MrX on 23 March 2005, 03:47
the one that said scan for microsoft products is the photo that i edited, at the bottom.
(http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/scanforerrors.gif)
(http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/scanformicrosoftproducts.gif)

Mr X :beos:  :beos:
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 23 March 2005, 05:14
the edit is a little bit too obvious due to the font difference between original and the "Microsoft products, click Yes." replacement. Further, the humor value is slightly reduced due to the fact the original is a advertisement for something that probably ships spyware and whatnot with it. Due to this, I personally find the original to be more thought provoking than the trite, overused attack towards microsoft.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 23 March 2005, 06:03
it is art. not sopposed to be funny. it is there to prove a point. should i have selected the font to be antialiased? btw it is vernanda size 11.

Mr X
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 23 March 2005, 07:27
To prove a point? What point? You're just trying to say that microsoft products are what causes the issues mentioned. This is obviously and blatantly false, just plain FUD.

Anyway, look at the character "s" in your replacement to see the difference, it's the most obviously different one.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 23 March 2005, 08:15
Quote from: muzzy
To prove a point? What point? You're just trying to say that microsoft products are what causes the issues mentioned. This is obviously and blatantly false, just plain FUD.

Anyway, look at the character "s" in your replacement to see the difference, it's the most obviously different one.


then explain to me why the people here that do not use microsoft products do not experiance those problems? yes, the 's' and others. i tried going thru all my fonts and couldnt find one exactly macthing, but close. i have somebody else working on it for me, with more professional tools, like photoshop. instead of BePhotoMagic.

Mr X
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 23 March 2005, 09:34
I believe the people here are unaware as to exact sources of their problems, and blame everything on microsoft by habit.

Further, I don't see how mocking microsoft is a "proof" of anything, as nothing in your piece of art has to do with microsoft. Well, except the UI of the advertisement which poses to be spyware. In a way this could be clever, but I think your point is to say that "microsoft products" are equal or somehow similar to "critical errors". This kind of expression is overly repeated and has lost its meaning already.

What could make your art to be interpreted as clever, is the fake UI. Blaming microsoft for the problems of unstability and slowness, yet clicking the image would result redirection to a page which likely installs spyware which is responsible for the issues to stability and performance. Thus, the blame for microsoft is no longer completely unfounded, since the crap mentioned in the very "advertisement" got into the system because user clicked "yes" to an innocent looking browser window.

Although clever, this view is in no contradiction with my overall stance. Computer users should know what they're doing. Web pages could ask you to download and run a software and people would still do it. The true core of the problem isn't an inherent security issue of windows, but of users who don't understand what they're doing. Are you saying users shouldn't be given this kind of power? Well, good luck trying to fit that into "users should be allowed to run anything they want to" attitude that's relatively common around windows haters, too.

I know the activex "do you trust this shit?" popups are a serious issue, because they can be forced into an infinite loop and a clueless user thinks the only way out is to say "yes". General purpose computers shouldn't be used by clueless people, not when the computer has a state they can fuck up and there's no big red undo button to save the day.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 23 March 2005, 17:14
200th POST !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/witbyt/untitled.jpg)



I appreciate that you honor my artwork, muzzy.

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Further, I don't see how mocking microsoft is a "proof" of anything,

it doesnt have to be proof of anything. it is art, and if the point is mocking microsoft, there  is your proof, the proof of mocking microsoft.

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the UI of the advertisement which poses to be spyware.

i dont seem to be making that connection. the photo is not connected in any way shape or form, with the intent of installing malicious software inconspiciously onto unmeddeling microsoft computer users. and that is proof, of something.

over all, art is meant to be controversial. so if you like it or not,  :fu:

Mr X[/color]

btw it was hillarious when i sent this pic in email to my mom. she freaked out!
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Refalm on 23 March 2005, 17:22
Quote from: MrX
should i have selected the font to be antialiased? btw it is vernanda size 11.

Mr X

I believe anti-aliased and Tahoma size 10, would be a much better choice.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: skyman8081 on 23 March 2005, 18:37
Controversial, which is what you are TRYING to be, and failing at, does not mean free from critisism.

"art is meant to be controversial" is the biggest cop-out I have ever heard.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 23 March 2005, 18:49
Well, kids always tend to be bad at receiving critic of any kind. They tend to always take it way too personally.

Also, the font is aliased Tahoma 8. Well, at least unless windows font scaling settings affect MS Paint too in which I tested it, but it's obviously not antialiased. Antialiasing means all those "pixel smoothing" effects to make things look less jagged, and you can see the UI text doesn't suffer from that.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Calum on 23 March 2005, 19:21
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I believe the people here are unaware as to exact sources of their problems, and blame everything on microsoft by habit.


well sorry to say i agree with muzzy totally, except on the point i quote above. it's almost as out of place in this thread that somebody else could have written it from the person who wrote the rest of muzzy's posts in this thread.

bizarrely, i find the following ones much more amusing:

(http://www.polytheism.org.uk/pix/kipple1.jpg)      (http://www.polytheism.org.uk/pix/kipple2.jpg)
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Orethrius on 24 March 2005, 06:59
Hey Calum, regarding that first photo you posted: "Hit 'return' to continue."

Which one does that select again?  ;)
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: LarryISKewl on 24 March 2005, 12:24
I like it Mr. X good job :D.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Refalm on 24 March 2005, 14:24
Quote from: MrX
200th POST !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/witbyt/untitled.jpg)

Gee. Too bad most of it is off-topic BeOS recommendations :p
But congratulations anyway.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Orethrius on 24 March 2005, 15:02
Quote from: MrX
200th POST !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/witbyt/untitled.jpg)



If post counts were wang size, yours would be the largest.
If post quality were wang girth, what the HELL are you doing with that GIANT PENCIL?

:p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 24 March 2005, 16:34
thanks, Orethrius, now you've made me look like a dick.

Mr X :beos:  :beos:  :beos:
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Orethrius on 24 March 2005, 17:34
Quote from: MrX
thanks, Orethrius, now you've made me look like a dick.

No pun intended.

:p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Calum on 24 March 2005, 21:35
Quote from: MrX
thanks, Orethrius, now you've made me look like a dick.

Mr X :beos:  :beos:  :beos:



i really think that you did that yourself, roughly 200 times so far in fact!
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 24 March 2005, 22:53
Hey hey, there's no need to attack the little guy. You're just as guilty of immaturity here as he is. Just relax and let it go.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: WMD on 24 March 2005, 23:10
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You're just as guilty of immaturity here as he is.

As immature as MrX?  Spare me. :p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 25 March 2005, 01:37
(http://www.bowling-park-paderborn.de/gif/general/SPARE.gif)
(http://www.bright.net/~ern/leaf.jpg)
(http://www.mouth-cancer-symptoms.com/assets/images/imgMCShome-Mouth.jpg)
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Orethrius on 25 March 2005, 02:07
Quote from: muzzy
Hey hey, there's no need to attack the little guy. You're just as guilty of immaturity here as he is. Just relax and let it go.

Having a little trouble with adjectives, aren't we?  It's condescending arrogance, not immaturity.  Get it straight, simp.  :p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: MrX on 25 March 2005, 02:09
i have no comment.

Mr. X
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 25 March 2005, 03:29
OMFG ART !

I cannot see your wonderful artwork *cough*bollocks*cough* Mr X.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 25 March 2005, 04:46
Quote from: Orethrius
Having a little trouble with adjectives, aren't we?  It's condescending arrogance, not immaturity.  Get it straight, simp.  :p


Woah, that's pretty good. I'm not a native english speaker so I'm not very good with this stuff. I really like the word "condescending", although I had to look it up from the dictionary. Thanks!
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 25 March 2005, 17:07
If you had firefox you could have pasted it into that little toolbar in the top right corner with dictionary.com selected and it would have looked it up for you.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 25 March 2005, 19:43
Quote from: MrX

over all, art is meant to be controversial. so if you like it or not,  :fu:


Art?  ;)

Everything's considered to be art these days!

I saw on Eurotrash someone had made a shit making machine and people were calling it art!  :D

This isn't art it's pure attention seeking crap. Also please leave out the shitty pictures like "First post" and "200th post" and cut the BeOS spam!

 :beos:  :thumbdwn:  :fu:  :beos:
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Refalm on 25 March 2005, 22:47
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
I saw on Eurotrash someone had made a shit making machine and people were calling it art! :D

I agree, EuroNews always has stupid bullshit like that.

There are things that will never happen in my lifetime. Like MrX creating a non-bloated signature, Microsoft using UNIX as it's kernel or EuroNews becoming a real news channel.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 26 March 2005, 02:14
Microsoft doesn't have a need to use anyone else's kernel, the NT native kernel is pretty good stuff.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 26 March 2005, 12:26
Yes the VMS kernel is pretty rad, maybe I should fire up my old Vax... If I can ever recall the administrator password that is.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 26 March 2005, 12:35
Waaaa you have vax there with VMS? FOR REAL?! gimme gimme gimme gimme! some night i'll sneak in and steal it :p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 26 March 2005, 12:47
I could have a roomfull of them but my father refused to let me have them. His work threw out hundreds, people are bitching about the war on Iraq well there are beautiful machines suffering. :( :( :(

I think we should start a petition for a Geneva Convention that covers the rights of awesome hardware.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: muzzy on 26 March 2005, 12:51
Definitely. Even if the harddrives are trashed for security reasons, the hardware should be donated to people who are willing to take care of the systems.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Calum on 26 March 2005, 13:52
Quote from: muzzy
Hey hey, there's no need to attack the little guy. You're just as guilty of immaturity here as he is. Just relax and let it go.


of course that must be true, since muzzy said so...
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 26 March 2005, 14:04
Quote from: Calum
of course that must be true, since muzzy said so...


Seig Heil!!!
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 March 2005, 15:38
[size=72]BIN THIS PLEASE[/size]
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Laukev7 on 26 March 2005, 15:41
No.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 26 March 2005, 15:45
ownage.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 March 2005, 15:56
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Annoyingly large images. The request in large caracters attracts enough attention; do not overdo it.


Sorry, I was just ripping MrX he always uses large retarded pictures. I wouldn't have done this in a non-MrX thead and I won't do it again.

Why haven't you binned this shit isn't it obvious this thread is going nowhere?
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Laukev7 on 26 March 2005, 16:56
Well, sorry if I come off as a useless dingbat, but I do not see why I should bin a thread which started off as Mr.X showing off his creations (whether you wish to call it art or not I will leave up to you). Besides, Kintaro and Muzzy were starting an interesting discussion about VAX machines and VMS.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Calum on 26 March 2005, 18:00
hear hear!

laukev7 it is good to see that somebody around here is more interested in open discussion than in pointless adherence to rules and regulations!
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: WMD on 26 March 2005, 18:57
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Yes the VMS kernel is pretty rad,

NT isn't really the VMS kernel.  They were written by the same guy, but aren't that much alike.  VMS had a lot more features (like native clustering).

Besides, NT was written based on the *original* VMS kernel, yet, by the time NT was developed, the then-current VMS kernel had been extensively modified.  If you looked at it today, NT probably bears no resemblence to  whatever the latest VMS is (OpenVMS, I believe).
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 March 2005, 20:01
Quote from: laukev7
Well, sorry if I come off as a useless dingbat, but I do not see why I should bin a thread which started off as Mr.X showing off his creations (whether you wish to call it art or not I will leave up to you).


Sorry I didn't make myself clear I was refering to his shitty "First post" "200th post" and BeOS spam.

Quote from: laukev7
Besides, Kintaro and Muzzy were starting an interesting discussion about VAX machines and VMS.


How about changing the title to reflect this change maybe something like "MrX's art and VMS debate"

Quote from: WMD
NT isn't really the VMS kernel.  They were written by the same guy,


David Cutler and some of the VAX team I believe.

Quote from: WMD
but aren't that much alike.  VMS had a lot more features (like native clustering).


NT is better than the other MS operating systems because it was develoed by different people, but to MS' specification though so it wasn't as good as VMS.


Quote from: WMD
Besides, NT was written based on the *original* VMS kernel, yet, by the time NT was developed, the then-current VMS kernel had been extensively modified.  If you looked at it today, NT probably bears no resemblence to  whatever the latest VMS is (OpenVMS, I believe).


Did they release it under the GPL then?

Or is OpenVMS a GPLed VMS clone.

Anyway has anyone tried OpenVMS?

If so is it any good?
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Laukev7 on 26 March 2005, 21:07
Quote from: Calum
hear hear!

laukev7 it is good to see that somebody around here is more interested in open discussion than in pointless adherence to rules and regulations!

Believe me Calum, I had to get burned quite a few times to learn. ;)
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: WMD on 27 March 2005, 00:30
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Did they release it under the GPL then?

Or is OpenVMS a GPLed VMS clone.

Anyway has anyone tried OpenVMS?

If so is it any good?

Despite the name, it's not open source at all.  It's owned by HP and they don't do much with it anymore.  (read: They're trying to kill it.)  It runs on Itanium, VAX (what's left of it), and Alpha (what's left of it).  There is a community-type site, http://www.openvms.org, with a homepage title of "OpenVMS: The OS with longer uptimes than MS Windows support policies." :D
Title: Re: Mr X's creations and VAX/VMS
Post by: Laukev7 on 27 March 2005, 01:08
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OpenVMS: The OS with longer uptimes than MS Windows support policies.

Classy.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Orethrius on 27 March 2005, 03:24
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OpenVMS: The OS with longer uptimes than MS Windows support policies.

Doesn't say much for the OS, I'm afraid.  :p
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: bedouin on 27 March 2005, 08:20
I first accessed the Internet on a VAX running VMS.  People who disrespect VMS usually just never took time to learn much about it.  It's a cool OS.
Title: Re: Mr X's creations and VAX/VMS
Post by: Orethrius on 27 March 2005, 09:25
I'm afraid you missed my point.  I meant to deride the policies, not the OS.  :D
Title: Re: Mr X's creations and VAX/VMS
Post by: bedouin on 27 March 2005, 13:06
I wasn't replying to your post actually, just making a general statement :)  VMS holds a special place in my heart.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 27 March 2005, 19:50
Quote from: WMD
Despite the name, it's not open source at all.  It's owned by HP and they don't do much with it anymore.  (read: They're trying to kill it.)


They should open source it and let it grow.
Title: Re: an edited photo by Mr X.
Post by: Kintaro on 28 March 2005, 00:33
VMS is rad.