Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: Laukev7 on 5 January 2004, 03:55
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http://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/04/2158233.shtml?tid=109&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201 (http://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/04/2158233.shtml?tid=109&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201)
Time to switch to a better (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) operating system.
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How do I stick OSX on a PC.
Time to switch to a real mans operating system (http://www.slackware.com)
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Originally posted by X11: I wear makeup.:
How do I stick OSX on a PC.
By getting a real (http://www.apple.com/powermac/) computer.
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Time to switch to a real mans operating system
Much better to get a real (http://www.apple.com/powermac/) computer AND a real (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) operating system.
[ January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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How do I get a Mac with an empty wallet?
Time to hope Apple one day does the right thing (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,496270,00.asp).
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How do I get a Mac with an empty wallet?
Sell your PC and get a Mac, like I'm going to do in June (which I should have done a long time ago).
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Time to hope Apple one day does the right thing.
Forsake hardware sales, their main revenue stream? I think not.
[ January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Forsake hardware sales, their main revenue stream? I think not.
Well I don't know anything about business and such, but personally I think that if Apple were to do that, MS would die within a short time and Apple could take over their share of the market.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Well I don't know anything about business and such, but personally I think that if Apple were to do that, MS would die within a short time and Apple could take over their share of the market.
That's a premature assumption. They would have to convince not only Windows developpers, but Mac developpers as well to port their software to the x86 version of Mac OS X, which would take quite a long time. Since Microsoft has a stronghold on PC OEMs, Apple would have a hard time convincing them, especially Dell, to bundle their OS with their computers. In the mean time, they would lose their hardware sales, because the Mac would lose a huge sales point, and might go bankrupt well before people start buying Mac OS X x86 (provided, of course, that they want it, let alone actually pay for it).
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OS-X is like a model in LA, A model drinking perrier doing cocain is LA.
Its not even that good, its just got a polished interface. At least Microsoft take the courtsy to put a stupid interface with there stupid operating system, rather then lieing to you.
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OSX is what Linux should be. Its easy. It works. And it has all the fucking unix you need if you feel like jumping into the deep end of the pool.
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<mocking>I'm a Linux pussy who doesn't know what a real OS is</mocking>
Dude, piss off with your Linux bullshit.
I run a microkernel under the hood. I can run OS X and OS 9 side-by-side... yes... I can run TWO OSES SIMULTANEOUSLY in separate memory areas.
My OS has advanced features that come from a superior object-oriented design that comes from NeXTStep, with a heritage over 16 years old, using tried-and-true APIs and frameworks.
Guess what... OS X doesn't use the shitty ass graphics layer that you are a namesake of... that's right... X11, that outdated, outmoded piece of shit.
Real men use their computer to get work done, not to fuck around with shitty config files.
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btw, xeen... marklar is a pipe dream. it never will come around... and I pray to gods that it stays that way
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I'm not a fan of MAC's, but atleast they aren't microsoft. GO Non-MS OS's!
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Ahem. Back to the subject...
6 years is probably a reasonable amount of time to support a product. Are there companies who support their operating systems for longer than that?
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Not really, I think 2 years is resonable, it depends what your supporting, security should always be supported.
With open source stuff its easy for the security to support itself with apt-get and stuff to not require corprate support.
With windows however, its mainly upto Microsoft and workarounds.
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Originally posted by X11: I wear makeup.:
Not really, I think 2 years is resonable, it depends what your supporting, security should always be supported.
I agree. Should only support till new release except security. Security should always be supported, but then again, when is the set time for that?
Should MS support security flaws in Windows 3.0?
If they decide its too costly to support old software, then I think those user's should be given a free license to the next OS in line. So Win98 users should be given a ME license.
Or atleast MS should give the public a warranty time like cars.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Are there companies who support their operating systems for longer than that?
Linux (at least the kernel) is supported for "as long as there's an interest."
As for phasing out 98...that's kinda good in a way, after all 98 is like the worst one ever. :D Execept maybe ME.
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Originally posted by WMD:
As for phasing out 98...that's kinda good in a way, after all 98 is like the worst one ever. :D Execept maybe ME.
I think Win 95 and Win 95a were worse than ME... (http://smile.gif)
They should discontinue XP and have 2000 there main focus.
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Microsoft's Caretaker: I think Win 95 and Win 95a were worse than ME... (http://smile.gif)
They should discontinue XP and have 2000 there main focus.
Are you braindead? Windows 95 OSR2 was the best thing Microsoft ever did. They actually listened to what users wanted, and you got a half-decent OS without Internet Explorer.
After that, they fucked things up real bad when they released Windows 98, and it's been really bad ever since. And looking at "Longhorn", I predict it will get only worse.
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Laukev7: By getting a real computer.
By selling my PC (http://www.tweakzone.nl/specs/234) for a really expensive plastic case with a PPC processor inside? No thanks.
[ January 05, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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Well, I am both an OS X and a GNU/Linux user, so I have my 'feet' in both camps, if I may use that term.
OS X is what every computer user would want to use. It is easy, functional, stable, secure, it uses an advaced microkernel and IMHO is the most advanced (in technical terms) Operating System today.
BUT, there are a few things that OS X does not have. It is not a Free Operating System, in the sense that eventhough the underlying core may comply with the GPL and I mean the APSL under which Darwin is released, the overlying code is still proprietary and will probably remain so.
On the other hand we have GNU/Linux. A fully-featured, stable and secure Operating System, based on the notion of Freedom, with a capital F. Freedom to share, modify and join an ever-growing community of users, developers and activists.
On the technical side of things, Linux (and I am refering to the kernel here), is monolithic and that alone is a major drawback. Furthermore, the X Windows implementation that ships with virtually every GNU/Linux distribution is crappy (forgive the language (http://smile.gif) ), and the recent dismemberment of the core team goes out to prove that those who were behind it were really slow into adopting changes and keeping up with them.
So, there is a + side to every OS, as there are -es as well. Please, do not ask me to comment on Windows :D
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Are you braindead? Windows 95 OSR2 was the best thing Microsoft ever did. They actually listened to what users wanted, and you got a half-decent OS without Internet Explorer.
Yeah I run 95 OSR2 on an old machine...it's not as unstable as some contend. However, 95a IS as unstable as some contend. :D
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Originally posted by WMD:
Yeah I run 95 OSR2 on an old machine...it's not as unstable as some contend. However, 95a IS as unstable as some contend. :D
I thought win95 OSR2 was better overall than 95a and certainly ME. The only real problem I see is the lack of USB support... yeah is a downloadable supplement but I have yet to be able to use a single USB device, even a mouse, with it.
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WinME was a piece of bloated shit. It BSOD'ed on me the very first boot after the installation on a brand new formatted hard drive and a computer with THE best specs back then. I formatted it again 2 days later, installed 2000, and never looked back.
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this debate never ends...if it isn't windows vs. Mac, it's Mac vs. Linux...the Mac and Linux people should unite to destroy M$, and then bicker over who's OS is better *cough*(linux)*cough*