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Title: General Election
Post by: sjor on 11 April 2005, 15:37
Who r u gonna vote 4 on May 5th?
im not sure yet
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Lord C on 11 April 2005, 16:20
Me neither.

I am looking into the parties official responces to the Open Source community and the EU's patenting issues.

It deffinetly won't be the Conservatives - they compared FOSS to drugs :S

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There are two sides to this argument. With software, like drugs, no one
will spend the money necessary for research and development if they are
unable to patent or licence their products.

ROGER HELMER
http://www.rogerhelmer.com
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: KernelPanic on 11 April 2005, 16:54
I'm very unsure, I think the main 3 are a big bag of shit.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Refalm on 11 April 2005, 17:05
I've modified your poll because it didn't include the Green Party (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/) ;)

And for the Brits here who aren't sure yet:
Quote from: http://www.greenparty.org.uk/index.php?nav=articles&n=68
The GP strongly opposes software patenting. Copyright works well enough to protect IPR (Intellectual Property Rights). The flag of IPR must not be used to give more power to rich corporations while preventing the general use of useful cheap software.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: sjor on 11 April 2005, 21:01
Yes, im quite keen on the green party. how d'ya think they'll do this year?
Do'ya think it'll be a hung parliment?

By the way, cud u change my vote to the Green Party?

 
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[/color]I'm very unsure, I think the main 3 are a big bag of s**t.
I'd thought you'd vote 4 labour, looking at ur signiture.
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Title: Re: General Election
Post by: skyman8081 on 11 April 2005, 21:54
Neither, I don't hold elections, I'm dictator for life!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 11 April 2005, 21:59
Quote from: sjor

I'd thought you'd vote 4 labour, looking at ur signiture.
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You obviously haven't clicked on his signiture!

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We want to register a highly visible and damaging protest vote against Tony Blair, his style of government, his right-wing leanings, and his lies about the 'war' on terror and Iraq. You can help. On election day, we want you to vote strategically. Ruthlessly. In 'safe' Labour seats and marginal seats we want you to vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Labour candidate.



I agree I hate Blair too I hate him more than Bush!

I hate the Conservatives as well.

I'm voting Liberal because they sound more honest and their policy on tax makes more sense.

The Conservatives are the most hypercritical the accuse Labour of stealth taxes when they invented them.

Labour said they wouldn't rais tax - that's bullshit they did.

The conservatives plan to cut tax, but they might cut income tax but the duty on alcohol will still rise, and they'll cut public spending to boot.

Liberal say they'll increase income tax for the rich and increase public spending.

Both the Labour and Conservative partys have been in power before now lets give the Liberal Democrats a chance.

I know they're not ready to run the country at the moment but they'll make a better opposition than the Conservative party.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: KernelPanic on 11 April 2005, 22:42
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez

Both the Labour and Conservative partys have been in power before now lets give the Liberal Democrats a chance.


The Lib Dems have been in, not since WWII though!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: JanusChrist on 11 April 2005, 23:28
I'm voting for the Death to France party.

Rock hard, you limey bastards!!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Calum on 11 April 2005, 23:55
i'd vote for the scottish national party (or maybe the scottish socialist party) if i were not stuck at the wrong end of "great" britain.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: skyman8081 on 12 April 2005, 04:17
Vote for Zombie Winston Churchill!

Vote Undead!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: solemnwarning on 12 April 2005, 09:02
i vote bill gates gates!! :scared:
lmfao j\k i dont get politics :fu:
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: sjor on 12 April 2005, 18:08
The vote's going well, with Green Party in the lead. Anyone else? Anyone from the US?

By the way, who d'ya think actually is going to win?
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 12 April 2005, 21:54
If I had the opportunity, probably Green Party, due to their anti-software patent status.  I can't stand people being given arbitrary control over code modules (though it's already been done to death here).
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Laukev7 on 12 April 2005, 23:12
Where's the BNP option? Think about the poor fascists we're offending! :(

Me? Nan, I'd vote for the Green Party.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 13 April 2005, 23:23
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The Lib Dems have been in, not since WWII though!


That was way before my time!

Why can you remember when they ran the country?  :D

 I can see what you all mean about the green party I think the have some good ideas, but I won't vote for them as they are no where near popular enough to become a big enough opposition party.

My prime hate second to Labour is the Conservative party, to see them in 3rd place would be a very good thing, as they clearly don't even know the first thing about economics.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 14 April 2005, 04:33
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
I won't vote for them as they are no where near popular enough to become a big enough opposition party.

...and it's statements like those that fulfill themselves.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Kintaro on 14 April 2005, 18:47
Id vote Jesus.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 14 April 2005, 21:30
Quote from: Orethrius
...and it's statements like those that fulfill themselves.


There's nothing wrong with tactical voting, if more people vote Liberal then the Conservatives will become less of an opposition, but what would a few extra votes for the green party do? Not much is the answer, if the Liberal Democrats were the main opposition with the conservatives third then the Green party would make more difference -  they'd push the Conservatives further away from power.

Anyway why are we discussing this on the Microsoft Eradication society forum?
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 14 April 2005, 21:55
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Anyway why are we discussing this on the Microsoft Eradication society forum?

Yes, why are we exercising our First Amendment rights in The Lounge?  What's up with that anyway?  :p

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There's nothing wrong with tactical voting, if more people vote Liberal then the Conservatives will become less of an opposition, but what would a few extra votes for the green party do? Not much is the answer, if the Liberal Democrats were the main opposition with the conservatives third then the Green party would make more difference - they'd push the Conservatives further away from power.

You're talking about idealism versus base concepts though.  Unfortunately, since we don't live in an ideal world, we have to rely on such measures to ensure the public's rights.  I assure you that the concept is not to vote for who might win, though, but to vote for who you want to win.  Too many people don't vote today because they're more concerned with the outcome than the process.  That's how Diebold sneaks in, that's how the Republicans grab power, and THAT'S why Orrin Hatch is chairing a subcommitee on a bastard-child philosophy.

As Captain Planet would say, "The power... is YOURS!"  Get off your duff and vote for who you want to see running the nation.  The only true losers are those who abstain.  ;)
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 14 April 2005, 22:25
Quote from: Orethrius
Yes, why are we exercising our First Amendment rights in The Lounge?  What's up with that anyway?  :p


CoS POLLitTics Sux sHiTt!!!!!!!!!

No seriously politics rule, and I mean this literally and it has a lot to do with Microsoft because the US government should have done something about them many years ago.

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You're talking about idealism versus base concepts though.  Unfortunately, since we don't live in an ideal world, we have to rely on such measures to ensure the public's rights.  I assure you that the concept is not to vote for who might win, though, but to vote for who you want to win.  Too many people don't vote today because they're more concerned with the outcome than the process.  That's how Diebold sneaks in, that's how the Republicans grab power, and THAT'S why Orrin Hatch is chairing a subcommitee on a bastard-child philosophy.


To be honest, I wouldn't like any of the party's in their current state to be in power. The Liberal Democrats aren't ready to run the country and neither are the Green Party, and you know what I think about the Labour and Conservative party. I'm voting for the one party that will do the most damage to the Conservatives and Labour, and who are the most likely to become a stronger opposition the coming years.

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As Captain Planet would say, "The power... is YOURS!"  Get off your duff and vote for who you want to see running the nation.  The only true losers are those who abstain.  ;)


Oh yes I remmember Captin Planet, and unfortunately I can still remember the theme tune, and now I've got it going round in my head - thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 14 April 2005, 23:17
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
To be honest, I wouldn't like any of the party's in their current state to be in power. The Liberal Democrats aren't ready to run the country and neither are the Green Party, and you know what I think about the Labour and Conservative party. I'm voting for the one party that will do the most damage to the Conservatives and Labour, and who are the most likely to become a stronger opposition the coming years.

As long as you're voting for who you want in office, as opposed to who might best damage the opposing party, that's your perogative.  Good on ya for not standing idly by, I say, but I just happen to believe in the conceptual integrity of the voting process.  Call me naive, but I believe in our founding fathers.  ;)
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Calum on 15 April 2005, 21:47
either reason is a good reason for voting.

it's better than not voting at all and then moaning about how nothing gets done properly etc.

now:
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The Lib Dems have been in, not since WWII though!
actually the liberal democrats have never been in power. The Liberal party were voted out of office in 1936 and did not merge with the social democratic party until the 1980s to become the Liberal Democratic Party.

also, in answer to sjor's question, who actually will win, it'll be labour, because the british public needs a lot worse than what labour has been to be convinced to elect howard after his association with several unpopular conservative concepts in the past. and not enough people will vote liberal democrat, because everybody thinks that not enough people will vote for them for them to get in, despite the fact that (i think) a majority thinks they should get a chance in office.

tony blair really annoys me conceptually, because he is a conservative prime minister leading the labour party. usually if you have a conservative prime minister, you can just vote labour in (as a nation), but with tony blair you can't do that, because he leads the labour party, and the only other choice is howard's (or whoever is conservative leader this week!) bunch of upper class goons.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: sjor on 16 April 2005, 15:45
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The Liberal party were voted out of office in 1936 and did not merge with the social democratic party until the 1980s to become the Liberal Democratic Party.


well uve done ur research!

as much as i dont like it, it'll probaly be labour.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: KernelPanic on 16 April 2005, 17:50
Quote from: Calum

now:
actually the liberal democrats have never been in power. The Liberal party were voted out of office in 1936 and did not merge with the social democratic party until the 1980s to become the Liberal Democratic Party.


oh
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 April 2005, 19:08
Quote from: Calum
tony blair really annoys me conceptually, because he is a conservative prime minister leading the labour party. usually if you have a conservative prime minister, you can just vote labour in (as a nation), but with tony blair you can't do that, because he leads the labour party, and the only other choice is howard's (or whoever is conservative leader this week!) bunch of upper class goons.


I agree fucking hate the Conservatives and I now hate new Labour because they have a Conservative leader. The Liberal Democrats are the old Labour, their manifesto is an old Labour manifesto. I think the Liberal Democrats make sense, the Conservatives are stupid, and Labour are liars.

 :fu: Conservatives.
 :fu: Tony Blair.

Vote for either the Green Party or Liberal Democrats, preferably the latter!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Lord C on 20 April 2005, 23:43
Can't stand Michael Howard - he really really gets on every last one of my nerves.

I don't like conservatives anwyay, and I'm not a fan of Tony Blair either, so Labour have lost my vote.

Green Party for me.
Good stance on the environment (DUH), and on Open Source Software, which is an important issue to me.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: KernelPanic on 21 April 2005, 12:36
For those members not in the UK check out this (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php) link for a quick idea of who and what the main parties are.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Lord C on 21 April 2005, 14:50
Quote from: KernelPanic
For those members not in the UK check out this (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php) link for a quick idea of who and what the main parties are.


I like their political compass.

My results were:
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

I'm very like Nelson Mandella or Ghandi, and very far from Hitler. Which made me happy :)
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Calum on 21 April 2005, 15:26
yes, i'm down there next to Ghandi again,

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Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97



i did do this test a whilee ago, see http://honeybug.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13090#13090
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 22 April 2005, 03:48
Quote from: Calum
yes, i'm down there next to Ghandi again,

Hehe, I'm more Ghandi than you!  :D

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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28


 

I always like it when people compare me to Mandela.  Do it often to get on my good side.  ;)
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Calum on 22 April 2005, 18:03
really? even though he was a murdering terrorist in his youth?
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Orethrius on 23 April 2005, 11:22
Quote from: Calum
really? even though he was a murdering terrorist in his youth?

Leave anarchists alone, okay?  Assassination is a form of public service that's been bastardised by the few using it for personal gain rather than policy enforcement.  I don't see a problem with RICO executions, but that's an extreme of my belief system.  If the common good really is jeopardised by their power, remove them from it, by any means necessary.  Again, too bad the concept has been so bastardised today that most of this rant will come off as an anti-establishment raving.  Society's loss, I suppose.  :(
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Refalm on 23 April 2005, 19:48
Quote from: Orethrius
Leave anarchists alone, okay?  Assassination is a form of public service that's been bastardised by the few using it for personal gain rather than policy enforcement.

Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 April 2005, 19:53
I agree no civilized country should have the death penilty, it should be against international law.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: sjor on 24 April 2005, 14:28
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
I agree no civilized country should have the death penilty, it should be against international law.
hear hear!
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Calum on 24 April 2005, 20:17
i used to think this way, but now i actually agree with the death penalty for some crimes, basically if it can be *literally* 100% proved that the accused is guilty of their crime, and if their crime is murder or rape.
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: KernelPanic on 5 May 2005, 20:01
3 hours left mofo's
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: sjor on 7 May 2005, 14:45
Results are in.


...




labour wins...
*sigh*
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Laukev7 on 7 May 2005, 19:04
Vote fraud.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/05/06/nelecstraw.xml (http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/05/06/nelecstraw.xml)

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Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, has been warned that postal vote fraud is widespread among Labour Party members in his Blackburn constituency.

http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/82/36/ (http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/82/36/)

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Reg Keys: The Man tipped to defeat Blair
Police in British Prime Minister Tony Blair's Sedgefield constituency have been ordered to stop their investigation into allegations of postal vote rigging ahead of tomorrow's election, a group of police officers claimed today.


The Prime Minister is facing imminent defeat at the hands of Reg Keys, the man who lost his son in Iraq, in the battle for the Sedgefield parliamentary seat.

http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/90/36/ (http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/90/36/)

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British Prime Minister Tony Blair was officially declared the winner of the Sedgefield constituency amidst reports of widespread vote-rigging.

And the results in Blair's county don't even match the exit polls.

http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/89/36/
Title: Re: General Election
Post by: Laukev7 on 7 May 2005, 21:31
It turns out the results in Blair's county don't even match (http://unspun.mithuro.com/content/view/89/36/) the exit polls.

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