Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Simon on 1 May 2005, 22:52
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I'm Simon, I currently use an iBook, I'm 11 years old, and I hate Microsoft for the general reasons(Crappy, Insecure OS, Shoddy Buissness Practices, etc...). I'm not particularly Tech-savy, but I can generally understand the topic. Anyway, I hope I'll fit in here.
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Welcome to the forums, Simon. I hope you enjoy yourself here. :)
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The members are getting younger and yougner all the time, which concerns me a bit as there's lots of swearing on this site. LOL :D
Oh well, fuck was one of the first words my father taught me, and we all learn to swear at some point so 11's a good enough age to start. :D
Follow the following rule and you're cool; remember it's ok to swear just as long as it's only in front of people who don't fucking care. :D
Anyway welcome to the forum Simon you seem more sensible than some of the older members here. :D I hope you enjoy your self and learn a lot too, as I have.
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Indeed, it's amazing how effective the internet is for people to communicate on the basis of competence rather than superficial characteristics. That's why I love foruns. :)
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Eh, a littler cussin' is part of life.
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Welcome to the forum dude.
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11 year olf iBook...wow
what are the specs of it?
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An eleven year old MS hater.
You rock Simon!
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oh I thought the ibook was 11 years old.
11 years old...wow when I was 11 I didn't even know what a forum was.
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When I was 11 I didn't know tha Microsoft sucked, I thought it was my PC, the Acorns at school never went down with any viruses but my PC running MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 often did.
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When I was 11 I didn't know tha Microsoft sucked, I thought it was my PC, the Acorns at school never went down with any viruses but my PC running MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 often did.
When I was 11, I thought Windows 95 was the coolest thing I ever saw. When I was 13, I even thought Windows 98 was cooler (dispite the advertisement you get when you install it).
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At 11 I was still playing games in DOS and going to French school...
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When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
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When I was 11, I thought Windows 95 was the coolest thing I ever saw. When I was 13, I even thought Windows 98 was cooler (dispite the advertisement you get when you install it).
I thought Windows 95 was cool when I first saw it, shortly after when we had problems at school with it I realised it wasn't so good. In a couple of years we upgraded to a P200 and with Windows 95, because I didn't know ay better. Now I have my 1800Mhz machine and I mostly use XP and Vector Linux every now and again.
When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
When I was 11 was I was in the very early stages of puberty and we had sex education classes at school, there were also lots of porno magazines lying around the bike sheds, that the boys all read, or looked at the pictures more like. :D
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I didn't know MS sucked until I was about 9, when I realized how crappy Winduhs is, and at 10 I learned all the Anti-Trust stuff.
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Simon, you rock. I hope that by 20, you'll make us a full grown distro. Dedicated to Microsuck.com, i hope...
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I hope Windows will already be in decline by then.
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But then what would we have to bitch about?
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I'll bitch about GNU/Linux when I'm on GNU/Hurd.
That's the plan anyhow.
I'm already starting to buildup a bit of hatred towards Linux, nothing technical or that, mainly to do with Mr. Torvalds.
RMS is the best!
EDIT: lmao (http://www.fucklinux.com/)
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I'm Simon, I currently use an iBook, I'm 11 years old, and I hate Microsoft for the general reasons(Crappy, Insecure OS, Shoddy Buissness Practices, etc...). I'm not particularly Tech-savy, but I can generally understand the topic. Anyway, I hope I'll fit in here.
When you grow up, you'll learn that you don't understand security, you don't understand quality, you don't understand business, and so on. Most likely, right now, your opinions are based on other people's opinions and not on knowledge of technology/economics and facts. Unfortunately, this means your opinions about Microsoft and Windows don't have much weight. Sure, you can hold any opinions you want to, but your opinions will be meaningless and nobody will respect them if you hold them for weak reasons.
Right now, you've probably had some bad experiences about Windows. It's typical behaviour for your age to blame something else than yourself for them. It's always easier to say that Windows sucks, rather than anything that has to do with yourself, the user. Most probably, however, your problems relate to your lack of skills. This is OK, you don't have to be ashamed or to feel guilty about it, you're not any different from anyone else in this regard.
However, if you really cared about quality of the operating system, the security or the business practices, you'd study them. You can obviously do so while keeping your opinion, it doesn't matter if your opinion changes often, opinions should always be re-evaluated when you learn significant new information. There's so much you don't know, and you can start anyday. When someone says something you don't like, don't just disregard it. Study it. Same applies when someone says something you like, you shouldn't just accept things that sound good, you should check the facts just to be sure, so you'll know your opinion is based on solid facts. If you don't do fact checking and research, it means your opinions aren't solid, and it'd made little difference what opinion you held. In a place like this, most people won't blame you for that, as long as you hold the same opinions they do.
I'm not saying you shouldn't hate windows. I'm saying you should know your reasons for it, and know that the reasons are solid. Just because someone says so doesn't mean much. Experts tend to disagree about stuff, too, which means things aren't quite so black and white. If I were you, I'd stick to solid facts. If you've personally found windows to be difficult to use and something else was easier, that's a valid reason. If you've found that there are more friendly and knowledgeable *nix users out there than there are similar windows users, that's valid as well. However, I suspect you don't have what it takes to judge the design and implementation issues of Windows, or the economics, corporate and legal issues behind Microsoft's business practices.
It's been said that a little information is a dangerous thing, and same applies here. Don't think your knowledge is solid if you only know a narrow amount of things about the field. Seek the broader knowledge, and share it. Make the world a better place. Try not to spread other people's opinions about things you don't understand. Make your own opinions based on what you know, not based on what other people believe.
Thank you for listening, and welcome to the forums.
Oh, and the above isn't to be taken too seriously, although I wouldn't recommend taking it completely lightly either. The chances are, you don't understand what I'm saying anyway, so there's no much point to pay that much attention to it. But remember what I said, I'm sure you'll understand it someday :)
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When you grow up, you'll learn that you don't understand security, you don't understand quality, you don't understand business, and so on. Most likely, right now, your opinions are based on other people's opinions and not on knowledge of technology/economics and facts. Unfortunately, this means your opinions about Microsoft and Windows don't have much weight. Sure, you can hold any opinions you want to, but your opinions will be meaningless and nobody will respect them if you hold them for weak reasons.
Right now, you've probably had some bad experiences about Windows. It's typical behaviour for your age to blame something else than yourself for them. It's always easier to say that Windows sucks, rather than anything that has to do with yourself, the user. Most probably, however, your problems relate to your lack of skills. This is OK, you don't have to be ashamed or to feel guilty about it, you're not any different from anyone else in this regard.
However, if you really cared about quality of the operating system, the security or the business practices, you'd study them. You can obviously do so while keeping your opinion, it doesn't matter if your opinion changes often, opinions should always be re-evaluated when you learn significant new information. There's so much you don't know, and you can start anyday. When someone says something you don't like, don't just disregard it. Study it. Same applies when someone says something you like, you shouldn't just accept things that sound good, you should check the facts just to be sure, so you'll know your opinion is based on solid facts. If you don't do fact checking and research, it means your opinions aren't solid, and it'd made little difference what opinion you held. In a place like this, most people won't blame you for that, as long as you hold the same opinions they do.
I'm not saying you shouldn't hate windows. I'm saying you should know your reasons for it, and know that the reasons are solid. Just because someone says so doesn't mean much. Experts tend to disagree about stuff, too, which means things aren't quite so black and white. If I were you, I'd stick to solid facts. If you've personally found windows to be difficult to use and something else was easier, that's a valid reason. If you've found that there are more friendly and knowledgeable *nix users out there than there are similar windows users, that's valid as well. However, I suspect you don't have what it takes to judge the design and implementation issues of Windows, or the economics, corporate and legal issues behind Microsoft's business practices.
It's been said that a little information is a dangerous thing, and same applies here. Don't think your knowledge is solid if you only know a narrow amount of things about the field. Seek the broader knowledge, and share it. Make the world a better place. Try not to spread other people's opinions about things you don't understand. Make your own opinions based on what you know, not based on what other people believe.
Thank you for listening, and welcome to the forums.
Oh, and the above isn't to be taken too seriously, although I wouldn't recommend taking it completely lightly either. The chances are, you don't understand what I'm saying anyway, so there's no much point to pay that much attention to it. But remember what I said, I'm sure you'll understand it someday :)
@simon: I suggest you take muzzys advice and don't listen to others opinions, which if you took his advice that would be his opinion. If performed in the right manner, the two will cancel out muzzys post and send it to an alternate dimension. Then, after its gone, you will totally forget muzzys opinion on the basis that it doesnt exist. After this happens you will then see the truth that the only thing microsft has going for it are its business stratiges and they arent even morally correct.
@muzzy: you know your lying if you try and tell someone windows is secure, just because someone posts something doesnt mean you have to respond with something pro-microsft that you make up.
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I didn't know MS sucked until I was about 9, when I realized how crappy Winduhs is, and at 10 I learned all the Anti-Trust stuff.
If you have alot of bad experiences with an OS, isn't it OK to dislike the manufacturer, who happen to be the largest and richest company in the world?
And who have a well known (but not known enough) reputation of using evil (evil!) business practices?
I must confess, when I was your age Simon, I loved Microsoft. I used to dream of working for them ;). Muzzy is right. Make sure your opinions are based on facts. Else I'd still be dreaming of workin' for MS :thumbup:.
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When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
hmm, you never played doctor with any neighborhood girls your age? I thought everyone did ;)
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When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
I smell a ban.
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@simon: I suggest you take muzzys advice and don't listen to others opinions, which if you took his advice that would be his opinion. If performed in the right manner, the two will cancel out muzzys post and send it to an alternate dimension. Then, after its gone, you will totally forget muzzys opinion on the basis that it doesnt exist. After this happens you will then see the truth that the only thing microsft has going for it are its business stratiges and they arent even morally correct.
Damn right! Nobody should adopt my opinions just because I say something, because most people don't have the insight to back up my views. If you don't know what I know, you can never truly understand my opinions. You can always ask, ofcourse, that's the idea. I introduce you to my view, and tell what it's based on, which means you can research it. If you find that I've presented new information or a valid point you hadn't seriously considered before, you can re-evaluate your opinions if you so choose to.
And regarding morals, they're just what people believe in and what they're taught to believe in. Morals in micro-scale shouldn't be any basis for corporate operations, or legal issues related to them. The laws should be set so that corporations benefit the society, and don't trample on people's freedoms, and support whatever else is temporally neat. Then, corporations should be enforced to act that way. It's not Microsoft's failure that the US Government is such a bunch of wimps, but at least EU is doing something. Microsoft should only do what's good for microsoft, and even if that means hiring a private army and taking over a small country, there'd be no issue about morals. Evil has to be made unprofitable, otherwise you can't stop it.
@muzzy: you know your lying if you try and tell someone windows is secure, just because someone posts something doesnt mean you have to respond with something pro-microsft that you make up.
Well, my Windows system happens to be relatively secure. It's not my fault things work fine for me. What comes to configuration, you can't say that a door isn't secure if you don't know how to lock it. There's a difference between instance of a system sucking, and the system itself sucking. Do you think computers are unstable because cats and dogs could run into case, pee in there and so on, if it's open? Obviously not, it'd be your fault because you kept it open. The thing gets really tricky when you don't know of the threats, nor do you know of the solutions. Then, when something happens, you'll blame the system because you're simply not aware it was your fault...
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@muzzy: you know your lying if you try and tell someone windows is secure, just because someone posts something doesnt mean you have to respond with something pro-microsft that you make up.
This gonna sound dumb, but I'll say it anyhow:
If you were at a fuckbsd website, and they had forums where Windows users bragged about how stable their systems were and how shit and crap BSD was, what would you do?
Muzzy is convinced that his system is stable, and he loves Windows. He has no reason not to (well I can think of some... eg, he's funding an evil monopaly, but that doesn't bother him, 'cause their OS is great, to him).
Now, if you were at that fuckbsd site, you would be a coward if you didn't argue with the bsd haters, wouldn't you?
Muzzy is brave.
PS: I'm not saying that I agree with muzzy or anything, btw.
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You would be coward if you chose not to argue because you were afraid of something. However, it's not like my ego is going to be crushed by teenagers who know less about my OS of choice than I do, and sometimes even less about their OS of choice than I do. :)
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You would be coward if you chose not to argue because you were afraid of something. However, it's not like my ego is going to be crushed by teenagers who know less about my OS of choice than I do, and sometimes even less about their OS of choice than I do. :)
haha, I wouldn't be too sure about that ;)
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Eh. My opinions of MS are far from taken from others. I've had many problems with Windows that really couldn't have been caused by me. Things breaking when using word, BSOD'd when trying to web browse. I remember being driven insane by the Blaster worm. Also, I've done quite a bit of reading on the MS anti-trust case to back up my opinions of the company itself. And as I said before, while I don't claim to be at the same level of Tech-Savy as the rest of the users, I can generally understand what the security flaws and such are, and if I don't, I read up on it and see if I can understand it. It's called "learning".
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So, you might be running on broken hardware, or just using bad (development version?) drivers for things. Also, you don't regularly patch your system, you likely don't use the automatic updater. I'd say there's plenty of evidence that a lot of your problems are caused by yourself.
If you have extra time, please verify that basic components of your system are good. Get Memtest86 and write it on a floppy, then run it for few hours (overnight would be great idea). After you're done with that, download Prime95 and run it in torture test mode for several hours. Again, overnight would be good. If both tests run fine for several hours, you can have more confidence that your core system is ok. However, without ever having tested such thing, you can't tell. If the system regularly BSODs, memtest and prime95 are the first two things I do... well, unless the STOP error itself makes sense. You know, the bluescreens actually tell you things about what went wrong, and the STOP error codes can sometimes immediately reveal what's broken. I haven't had a single crash EVER with windows core component being to blame. (OK, there was one case with NT4.0, but it wouldn't have happened if there hadn't been linux on the system, too. It was an issue with the partition table)
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oh I thought the ibook was 11 years old.
11 years old...wow when I was 11 I didn't even know what a forum was.
When I was 11, I was formatting the 40MB hard drive of our Packard Bell 386, reinstalling DOS and tweaking my config.sys/autoexec.bat files to try and get enough conventional memory to play Joe Montana Football with sound.
Welcome to the forums, Simon. :thumbup:
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I've had many problems with Windows that really couldn't have been caused by me. Things breaking when using word, BSOD'd when trying to web browse.
Computers blue screening when web browsing is almost allways caused by Bad memory, or a bad video card. I've seen it several times. Did you bother to read what the blue screen said? It will usually will reference a dll/sys file, which will tell you exactly what peice of hardware is causing your computer to take a dump. If your computer restarts automatically causing you to not be able to read the blue-screen, you can adjust your settings to prevent those automatic reboots.
I remember being driven insane by the Blaster worm.
Besides being driven insane, I hope I taught you that you need to install security updates. ;)
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to a post far up:
Cussin' isnt a part of MY LIFE!
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Besides being driven insane, I hope I taught you that you need to install security updates. ;)
But I'm a mac user... These things update automatically...
:fu: Microsoft