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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:15

Title: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:15: This forum is stuck in the past. Nothing new has come out of here. The only thing thats different are the names.

This place is turning into a GNU only club. I tried to work at fixing it, but I was met by opposition who want it to become an exclusive GNU and Linux only club.

This forum is going in circles and is spirally downward, if this site wants to be a Linux club, fine, but I do not want that association.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:18: Oh, and say hello to Darth Fucking Vader
(http://members.cox.net/dark_helmet/dfv.gif)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Laukev7 on 15 May 2005, 23:22: I don't see any crisis here. In fact, I don't see any of the GNU-only club you are complaining about, which to me seems to have disappeared a while ago. No offence, but I think it is you who may be stuck in the past.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:26: Everyone who has tried to make this community better and to try and improve it, everyone who wanted to help move it beyond what it is. Everyone has been labeled a troll and run out.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Laukev7 on 15 May 2005, 23:27: Who has been labelled a troll here?
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 15 May 2005, 23:30: I agree with laukev7, we also have BSD fanboys and another Mac fanatic, who are regular posters.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:43: not all of them labeled troll per se, but everybody who called for this place to be changed was run out, or had people try to run them out, I should clarify, However, let me show you a few examples.

void main, was run out for helping improve the forum, and disagreeing
ecsyle, run out for trying to improve it and for disagreement
Jimmy James, labeled a troll and run out for trying to improve and dissenting against the forum groupthink. Jimmy didn't start getting called a troll until much later on.

not all trolls were interested in helping, but those who wanted a better forum were told off, and to STFU and subject themselves to the will of the mods. I was called a troll for writing letters to the admin about disruptive members, as well as trying to calm the chaos and to call mods on abusing their power which was, and is, quite rampant.

Dear Mods,

just because you don't like a thread, is not a reason to bin it. It never has, and never will be.

Sincerly,
skyman8081
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Jenda on 15 May 2005, 23:46: Not to mention Muzzy, the Microsoft crusader.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 15 May 2005, 23:50: With the exception of a few good souls (muzzy, Refalm, Laukev, and Orethius) everyone on this forum is full of blind hate. And there is no balance anymore, all the mac heads were run out, and the GNUsaders have pretty much taken control.

At every turn, muzzy, who makes valid and thoughful posts gets driven out and is pointlessly flamed. I don't want to be associated with letting that happen.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 00:01: Quote from: skyman8081
With the exception of a few good souls (muzzy, Refalm, Laukev, and Orethius) everyone on this forum is full of blind hate. And there is no balance anymore, all the mac heads were run out, and the GNUsaders have pretty much taken control.

So you're accusing everyone who you've omitted from your list a GNUsader filled with blind hate. Nice one, you've just pissed off most of the people here, I thought you were cool up until now, so why don't you just fuck off and troll somewhere else? :fu:

Edit: Give some evedance to back up your claim because it appears to me you're just trolling now.

Quote from: skyman8081
At every turn, muzzy, who makes valid and thoughful posts gets driven out and is pointlessly flamed. I don't want to be associated with letting that happen.

This is the only reasonable thing you've said so far in this thread, while I don't agree with muzzy I do think he sometimes gets treated unfairly.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 16 May 2005, 00:06: Nice job reading, I never said that anybody not on the list is one. I said that most of the forum seems to be full of GNUsaders, there are always execptions. That list is in no way definative.

You are just LOOKING for something I say to piss you off, even if you have to misquote me.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: piratePenguin on 16 May 2005, 00:09: Quote from: skyman8081
Nice job reading, I never said that anybody not on the list is one. I said that most of the forum seems to be full of GNUsaders, there are always execptions.
I love GNU as much as some Mac users love OS X or Apple (depending on what way you look at it).

EDIT: Just look at my avator :cool:. It's exactly equal to an Apple fan having an Apple avator.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 00:15: Quote from: skyman8081
Nice job reading, I never said that anybody not on the list is one.

Oh yes you did!

I think the word exception means everyone that you haven't listed, and the word everyone means everyone you haven't listed.

Quote from: skyman8081
With the exception of a few good souls (muzzy, Refalm, Laukev, and Orethius) everyone on this forum is full of blind hate.

Have you fucked the wording up or have I just misinterpreted your post? Because I can't think of any other interpretation.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 16 May 2005, 00:15: Doesn't really matter what you say, I just don't care anymore to be honest.

And it's two-fold, you did misinterpret what I said, but I would have been better off with an et. al. in there.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 00:31: Quote from: skyman8081
Doesn't really matter what you say, I just don't care anymore to be honest.

I don't believe you, if you really don't care you wouldn't have bothered replying.

Quote from: skyman8081
And it's two-fold, you did misinterpret what I said, but I would have been better off with an et. al. in there.

Ok it seems more like poor wording, I've been flamed for mis-wording a post before it read something totally different to what I intended it to mean.

Could you please tell me what you meant?
You could've edited your post?
If you had, I would've edited mine as well, to remove the flaming.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Lord C on 16 May 2005, 00:33: These forums / this site is much more than a website/forum.
It is a community.

It isn't be any means a closed commmunity, nor is it s GNU/Linux-only community.
It is just a regular, friendly, community :P

I think I overused the word community, but it's true :)

As everyone above said - we have linux fanboys, windows fanboys, mac fanboys etc etc.
It's all good :P
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: bedouin on 16 May 2005, 00:38: Quote from: skyman8081
And there is no balance anymore, all the mac heads were run out, and the GNUsaders have pretty much taken control.

I'm still here. I'm not a GNU zealot.

Two things lower the quality of this site: lack of front page updates, and monthly, whiney tirades by administrators demanding some kind of magical reform that, if everyone only listens, will turn the site into a beautiful land of candy gumdrops, rainbows, and love.

Stop it. It's a web forum. People talk about their grievances with Microsoft here; alternatives, and perhaps let off steam. If you're upset about lack of quality content, then write your own. If you're upset that we attract teenagers with a "Windows sux0rs Linux 0wnz" attitude then harass Dheeraj to post some more up to date and intellectually stimulating content on the front page.

You went to a site named fuckmicrosoft.com and you expected what exactly? Step by step tutorials on fixing Windows installations?
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: piratePenguin on 16 May 2005, 00:43: Can't I delete my posts?
MOD: Delete this (now-)useless post, please :D
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 00:44: Oh and skyman8081, you still haven't given any evidence to back up your claims (read links to offending threads/posts) there's a word for this and I've a feeling you and I both know what that word is. ;)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 16 May 2005, 00:48: Whats that, lazy apathetic fucker who doesn't give a shit?

If it's troll, who gave you the right to define troll?

My problem isn't with the members who are like that, its the mods who encourage that kind of ignorance and exclusivity. The threads that I have issues with are in the mod forum, and not publically viewable, which is why I can't link you.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 01:00: Quote from: skyman8081
Whats that, lazy apathetic fucker who doesn't give a shit?

If it's troll, who gave you the right to define troll?

My problem isn't with the members who are like that, its the mods who encourage that kind of ignorance and exclusivity. The threads that I have issues with are in the mod forum, and not publically viewable, which is why I can't link you.

Right we're getting somewhere now, if these threads are in the mod's forum then why did you post this in the public lounge?

Surely the mod's forum would've been a more sensible place, or am I just being silly? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 16 May 2005, 01:05: I did, but I felt that this is something that the public should know about, and why I am pissed at the forum.

Trying to get anything done here is like banging your head against a wall.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 16 May 2005, 01:34: I think you're just going to have to accept that the majority is against you on this one and the way you've worded things hasn't helped your case. I can understand how you feel it's a bummer when you can't get your point across.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 16 May 2005, 01:41: The majority of the site is against keeping it to what it was founded upon?

I've been trying to make sure that the MES is a fair and open forum, where people could come and be helped in moving to alternatives. This site has lost its purpose and focus, and history is repeating itself.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: WMD on 16 May 2005, 05:20: Quote from: bedouin
If you're upset that we attract teenagers with a "Windows sux0rs Linux 0wnz" attitude then harass Dheeraj to post some more up to date and intellectually stimulating content on the front page.

You've written stuff...send it to me, and I'll bug ComSense about it. (I would guess him and Dheeraj are the same person)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: muzzy on 16 May 2005, 09:41: I'd volunteer to write some content for you guys, too, but I'm afraid that'd be the biggest act of trolling ever. Writing pro-windows stuff to anti-microsoft site ;D

Anyway, about trolls. Due to the overall atmosphere here, not least because of the name of the site, it's practically impossible to hold intellectual opinions without being a troll of some kind. Isn't troll a kind of person that fishes for reactions, stirs emotions, someone who provokes? Well, the way it is, it looks like both the "microsuck" and "pro-windows" camps fit the definition here. As of such, the only non-troll content would be people who mindlessly agree that microsoft is bad, evil, and so on.

The True Believers for GNU are by definition trolls, because they're expressing their views on a site which is anti-microsoft. Thus, the context implies that the True Faith has nothing to do with GNU being good, it has everything to do with Microsoft being bad. Taking such a stance is not very constructive, and while you could have solid reasoning behind your opinions, around here you are not expected to need such.

The Happy Windows Users are also trolls by definition, again because they're expressing their views on a site which is anti-microsoft. In such a context, they're just here to disagree. No matter why they like Windows, touting their opinions in microsuck forums is like walking into a gay bar to discuss why hetero sex is so much better. You'll know beforehand that you're going to be opposed, and doing so would be like picking a fight.

So, how is it a surprise that such a site degenerates and becomes a nest for trolls? The main pages are full of conspiracy theories, "evidence" that microsoft is spawn of satan or worse, and a list of alternative operating systems as a some kind of "solution". It's obvious, however, that the list just tries to prove something without being an useful resource. The list doesn't have any target audience, and as of such doesn't really serve anyone either. Home users will be frustrated with zillions of choices that are not really choices at all. Embedded operating systems, systems for differnet hardware platforms, all sorts of non-practical stuff right there. Developers will be frustrated because even though there are some interesting development platforms among the list, you'd have to know about them to spot them from the crowd. The only people who benefit from the list, are people who want to say "see? there are alternatives". That's exactly what this site is about. A bunch of answers to questions that nobody bothered to define.

To develop a serious community here, you'd have to take a little bit more serious attitude about the content as well. Checking that the links still work would probably help, too ;)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: BobTheHob on 16 May 2005, 09:48: Quote from: muzzy
A bunch of answers to questions that nobody bothered to define.
[digression]
I R big comupter, me say answer is 42. Question? me dunno.

I need to go see the movie, I doubt it will be as good as the books [/digression]
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 21 May 2005, 18:56: I don't see how this place has changed, if you ask me the answer is very little, just look at some of these old threads:
http://www.microsuck.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=8&page=1&pp=30&sort=lastpost&order=asc&daysprune=-1
http://www.microsuck.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=13&page=1&pp=30&sort=lastpost&order=asc&daysprune=-1

This one's very funny (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3695) :D

And if this place is full of open source fanboys and unreasonable MS haters then this thread (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9010) would've been binned on sight.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: adiment on 21 May 2005, 19:25: It is stuck in the past. I still see people talking about BSODS. It's not 1999.... You don't get BSODs from explorer crashing or anything else. Only when there is a hardware problem.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 21 May 2005, 19:35: Quote from: skyman8081
The majority of the site is against keeping it to what it was founded upon?

I've been trying to make sure that the MES is a fair and open forum, where people could come and be helped in moving to alternatives. This site has lost its purpose and focus, and history is repeating itself.

skyman,
If you look and the links in my previous post, then'll you'll that this forum still has the same values as it did when it started.

Edit:
The title of this thread is stuck in the past which implys that this forum hasn't changed. I agree, but the post I've quoted implys that the forum was better when it first started, which is confusing as this is a bitch tread about how this place is stuck in the past as if it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 21 May 2005, 19:40: Quote from: e7ement
It is stuck in the past. I still see people talking about BSODS. It's not 1999.... You don't get BSODs from explorer crashing or anything else. Only when there is a hardware problem.

What you have to make allowances for is some Linux/BSD/Mac users haven't used Windows for a very long time.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Siplus on 22 May 2005, 02:59: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Right we're getting somewhere now, if these threads are in the mod's forum then why did you post this in the public lounge?

Surely the mod's forum would've been a more sensible place, or am I just being silly? :rolleyes:

Mod forums are ALWAYS bitch boards. nothing exciting ever happens in them
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: solemnwarning on 22 May 2005, 16:48: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
This one's very funny (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3695) :D

lmfao
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: cahult on 22 May 2005, 19:16: The only thing I
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 22 May 2005, 19:38: I admit trolls can be funny, I've even been tempted to sign up for another account and do some myself. :D I hope you're not suggesting that we souldn't have binned this shit (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9082) though.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Siplus on 22 May 2005, 23:10: The problem with this forums is that you ran off all the original characters.

Anyone remember Zombie? Ya... He wasn't against Microsoft, and he did a lot of trolling, but he eventually got okay before he left.

You ran out Void Main, many productive members i don't see anymore like panos, and users with original ideas (i remember avello i think his name was) don't seem to be occuring.

I left in frustration from ... i won't mention names. but i eventually came back anyway

A lot of people left because of the consistent flaming that went on here, over use of declaring people Trolls, and abuse from the mods
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 22 May 2005, 23:22: Siplus, thats EXACTLY my point.

We've run out the good members. Yet the forum doesn't want to accept that it isn't what it used to be, it's lost its old greatness. It died when the site changed names.

We need to accept our place as a has-been forum, our time has come, and gone.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 May 2005, 00:44: We lost Zombie + a few more members when this site was off line in the Autumn last year. But I agree we've lost some fine members due to flame bait. I've not seen muzzy for a while I expect he's pissed off with people flaming him for his pro-Microsoft views.

To solve this problem we could just email some of the old members inviting them back.

I agree the name Microsuck is very lame and it should be changed back, or if not FuckMicorsoft prehapps KillMicorsoft or ErradicateMicrosoft as this is the Microsoft Erradication socialty after all.

Do you also not think that Microsoft's public relations together with the quality of their software has improved a bit since this site started and people aren't so pissed off with Microsoft as they used to be? I don't hear as many people complaining about Microsoft as much as I used to hear back in the day or am I just trolling now? :D
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 23 May 2005, 00:53: No, but some of the members have matured.

Like people who would cry BIN! at anything they disagreed with, and then post oversized photos of trash cansn to accompany it. Like in the days of JJ vs. Izumi/MICROSOFT_RULEZZZ/Canadian Lover. Worse was moderators who were more than happy to bin anything they see. But that is starting to creep back, hence the creation of this thread.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 May 2005, 01:09: Quote from: skyman8081
No, but some of the members have matured.

Groing older and wiser is always a good thing just as you don't loose your sense of houmour like some people here have.

Quote from: skyman8081
Like people who would cry BIN! at anything they disagreed with, and then post oversized photos of trash cansn to accompany it.

LOL!

http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8995

That thread was shit right from the miniute it started, and I was ripping MrX who had a bloody big sig that Refalm remove and he relpaced it with an even worse one and he was always posting fucktardedly large pointless shitty pictures - it's just a shame some of the more mature (boring) mods didn't get it though. :rolleyes:

Quote from: skyman8081
Like in the days of JJ vs. Izumi/MICROSOFT_RULEZZZ/Canadian Lover. Worse was moderators who were more than happy to bin anything they see. But that is starting to creep back, hence the creation of this thread.

Canadian Lover was very imature, and I've read about MICROSOFT_RULEZZ too I wonder if he's the same as FireFox. If anything it's a lot stricter now than it used to be FireFox was banned but MICROSOFT_RULEZZ was just labeled a troll. I don't know about Izumi though.

By the way if you really think this is the case then why don't you give an example of a thread that shouldn't have been binned?
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Siplus on 23 May 2005, 02:16: Wow... you people started banning?

a lot has changed since i left

edit: While we are talking about old people... is Solaris still lurking about, or is he (i'm hoping) no longer with us?
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 23 May 2005, 10:44: Solaris has probaly gone, he might have re-incarnated as FirefoxRules.
Canadian Lover, Izumi, and WINDOWS_RULEZZZ were all one and the same.
As for the creepback, it was Xeen's Divx Codecs thread. It was binned without just cause, unbinned, and people started crying to bin it, for reasons that had gotten past moderators flak. As soon as mods started disagreeing with a thread, it would get pushed towards the bin.

Thats bad policy that should never have happened here, and I don't want happening again.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: cahult on 23 May 2005, 11:30: I miss Void Main, anyone who knows what he
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 May 2005, 19:44: Quote from: skyman8081
Solaris has probaly gone, he might have re-incarnated as FirefoxRules.
Canadian Lover, Izumi, and WINDOWS_RULEZZZ were all one and the same.
As for the creepback, it was Xeen's Divx Codecs thread. It was binned without just cause, unbinned, and people started crying to bin it, for reasons that had gotten past moderators flak. As soon as mods started disagreeing with a thread, it would get pushed towards the bin.

Thats bad policy that should never have happened here, and I don't want happening again.

T be honest I don't think it should've been binned, but I did call for the bin after it'd turned to shit and that was the only reason, as there's nothing wrong with a thread on Divx Codecs.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Siplus on 24 May 2005, 00:07: Quote from: cahult
I miss Void Main, anyone who knows what he
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: xyle_one on 24 May 2005, 00:49: Voidmain left back in the "great-forum-shit-slinging" of '02. It might have been 03. Who knows. The result, voidmain started his own forum free of trolls and bullshit. It's a wonderful place.

What happened to zombie9210 and windows/linuxuser? That was an amazing troll right there. windowsuser coming out as linuxuser, holy shit. I loved that.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: toadlife on 24 May 2005, 01:00: Quote from: Siplus
http://voidmain.kicks-ass.net (http://voidmain.kicks-ass.net)

he's still around

Check out my score on voidman's cool little blackjack game.

http://voidmain.kicks-ass.net/blackjack/topscores.php (http://voidmain.kicks-ass.net/blackjack/topscores.php)

;)

yes, I cheated.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: toadlife on 24 May 2005, 08:33: Totally OT:

http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/black_jack_bug.png (http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/black_jack_bug.png)

How many decks do you play blackjack with?
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Annorax on 24 May 2005, 09:12: Quote from: toadlife
Totally OT:

http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/black_jack_bug.png (http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/black_jack_bug.png)

How many decks do you play blackjack with?

Online games: 8 decks, reshuffled every hand
Live games: Unless otherwise advertised, 6 or 8 decks, or 4 decks installed in a continuous reshuffling device. DO NOT PLAY the continuously reshuffled game, it's a horrid value and horrid return on your money.

EDIT: Voidmain's little game sucks... not being able to double down or split is horseshit.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: toadlife on 24 May 2005, 11:22: Quote from: Annorax
Online games: 8 decks, reshuffled every hand
Live games: Unless otherwise advertised, 6 or 8 decks, or 4 decks installed in a continuous reshuffling device.

That might explain why I got three of same card after being dealt 10 cards.

Quote from: Annorax
DO NOT PLAY the continuously reshuffled game, it's a horrid value and horrid return on your money.

Actually, I despise gambling, and think it's an idiotic thing to waste your money on.

Quote from: Annorax
EDIT: Voidmain's little game sucks... not being able to double down or split is horseshit.

Not to mention the fact that it's easy to cheat.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Annorax on 24 May 2005, 12:22: Quote from: toadlife
That might explain why I got three of same card after being dealt 10 cards.

That, or the random number generator is shit. But I digress.

Quote from: toadlife
Actually, I despise gambling, and think it's an idiotic thing to waste your money on.

You despise what I make my living on? You heathen!

Actually, I can understand this one... there's only one game on Earth that can consistently have a positive expected value for the player, and it ain't blackjack.

Quote from: toadlife

Not to mention the fact that it's easy to cheat.

Meh.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: bedouin on 24 May 2005, 12:54: Anyway, I just hope you all realize that your persistent bitching and whining in an attempt to turn these forums into some harmonious utopia degrades it by a factor of ten. Threads like this one, or entire blocks of deleted posts (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9216) make the forum look more moronic than anything GNAA could write. Good job.

Here is the line you draw: abuse, or speech. Abuse, would be spam or flooding; speech would be anything else. Got it? In gray areas you utilize this fantastic feature called 'ignore;' with time, if a certain individual is truly a troll, others will do the same, and eventually the little attention-whore will get bored and leave, with a much less inflated ego. Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 24 May 2005, 14:40: I would class personal abuse as abuse, and that thread would've looked a lot more moronic if the ofending post(s) were left in place causing it to turn flamebait.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 24 May 2005, 15:18: But deleting posts when someone has expressed thier opinion (however tactless they were) is wrong, even if another member has started a flamebait because they're too imature to accept the other member's opinion.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: skyman8081 on 24 May 2005, 17:09: I'm just glad that Mods are taking action. I'd hate to see this place turn into another USENET, from under-moderation.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 24 May 2005, 18:46: I just think we need the right balence, on one end of the spectrum we have forums where trolling and flamebait is accepted and at the other end there are places where people's opinions are being censored.

If someones expressing their opinion whether it be positive or negative it should be respected, but when they're needlessly insulting another member the post should be deleted.

Edit:
I realize now that the mods didn't have a problem with me expresing my opinion, or I don't think they did. I was in a bad mood and I was being very paranoid for some reason, sorry.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Calum on 24 May 2005, 22:42: Quote from: bedouin
Anyway, I just hope you all realize that your persistent bitching and whining in an attempt to turn these forums into some harmonious utopia degrades it by a factor of ten. Threads like this one, or entire blocks of deleted posts (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9216) make the forum look more moronic than anything GNAA could write. Good job.

yay! looks like they're acheiving this goal on a daily basis!

everybody knows there's no place for free speech in a Harmonious Utopia (TM)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Calum on 24 May 2005, 22:44: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Oh and skyman8081, you still haven't given any evidence to back up your claims (read links to offending threads/posts) there's a word for this and I've a feeling you and I both know what that word is. ;)

didn't you know: you don't have to give reasons so long as you think you're right.

also, the bigger the red pen you have in your hand, the righter you are ;-)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: xyle_one on 24 May 2005, 23:01: (http://img150.echo.cx/img150/4401/g5171ix.th.jpg) (http://img150.echo.cx/my.php?image=g5171ix.jpg)
yep. See that red one. That's right. That's the one I use.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 24 May 2005, 23:03: YeS CaluM I'm AlwAYz RiTe CoZ I RooLz

Quote from: Calum
yay! looks like they're acheiving this goal on a daily basis!

everybody knows there's no place for free speech in a Harmonious Utopia (TM)

Annorax was right to delete the posts in that case.

BobTheHob made an imature and uncalled for dig at muzzy in another thread, I feared that the thread would turn to shit so I reported BobTheHob's post and Annorax kindly removed it.

About the free speech rant
Someone posted a poorly written long arsed article in the news section and then got stressy when I expressed my opinion. I was in a bad mood so I thought that the mods were going to delete my post as well. I admit that I could've been more tactful but this site isn't the most tactful sites anyway.

Anyway not that you really give a shit I was just updating you on the daily Microsuck shit storm. Things have been improving for the last few hours but I'm forecasting another deluge so take your umbrella with you and mind you don't slip, have a good evening. :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: WMD on 25 May 2005, 01:32: Quote from: bedouin
Anyway, I just hope you all realize that your persistent bitching and whining in an attempt to turn these forums into some harmonious utopia degrades it by a factor of ten. Threads like this one, or entire blocks of deleted posts (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9216) make the forum look more moronic than anything GNAA could write. Good job.

AFAIK, normal users can't see the deleted post markers. Only mods (of anything) or admins.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Calum on 25 May 2005, 18:16: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
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Anyway not that you really give a shit
how do you know if i give a shit? if i didn't then would i really still be wasting my time here sticking up for free speech in the face of this puerile fascism?
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I was just updating you on the daily Microsuck shit storm. Things have been improving for the last few hours but I'm forecasting another deluge so take your umbrella with you and mind you don't slip, have a good evening. :)
thanks.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 May 2005, 00:17: Quote from: Calum
how do you know if i give a shit?

I wasn't being serious.

Quote from: Calum
if i didn't then would i really still be wasting my time here sticking up for free speech in the face of this puerile fascism? thanks.

I agree but the only posts deleted were ones consisting of needless flamebate. My "free speech rant" was a mindless act of paranoia, I'd (for some stupid reason) assumed that the mods would side with a person who was flaming me because I expressed my opinion about a news article they'd posted.

I short free speech is a good thing and should not be censored but unprovoked flamebate should.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: MrX on 26 May 2005, 03:11: i am the woot of all ev!l !

Mr X
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 May 2005, 21:19: Calum,
I've just read some of the recent posts in the forum, and I agree with you, if someone badmouths you and you defend your self your responses should under no circumstances be deleted unless the bitch posts are deleted to. This is fucking disgusting flaming is unacceptable and now it is also unacceptable to defend your self this just takes the piss!

:fu: Moderators who censor free speech and defensive posts!
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: piratePenguin on 26 May 2005, 21:34: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Calum,
I've just read some of the recent posts in the forum, and I agree with you, if someone badmouths you and you defend your self your responses should under no circumstances be deleted unless the bitch posts are deleted to. This is fucking disgusting flaming is unacceptable and now it is also unacceptable to defend your self this just takes the piss!
How about an example (and I think I know which one you'd pick but heh)?
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
:fu: Moderators who censor free speech and defensive posts!
Have you ever looked at Freenet? Where censorship does not exist and everything is (can be) anonymous. Where free speech overrules everything else, even when the networks future is under attack because fucktards are using it for pedophilia and such evil shit.
I thought it was a great idea, and it is. But it's exploited by evil shitheads far too much.
As such, I think at least a wee-bit of censorship wouldn't go to far astray.

I can kinda guess that you probably didn't mean ":fu: Moderators who censor free speech and defensive posts!" and probably meant something along these lines:
":fu: Moderators who censor whenever they should not!".
That's an assumption and I might be wrong, but in any case...

:fu: Moderators who censor whenever they should not!
And by that I mean, if a moderator censors when he/she shouldn't have, he/she may get a nice little :fu:
I don't mean :fu: Moderaters in general because some moderator might censor when he/she shouldn't have.
(Jeenie mack, I officially hate English. That sentance should be read straight through, fast.)

Anyhow, Aloone, check out Freenet if ya want (or haven't already done so), and it's fucking amazing philosophy.
http://freenetproject.org (http://freenetproject.org)
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Calum on 26 May 2005, 21:53: actually you know what? discussing the finer points is completely moot since this whole discussion could be deleted at any moment by some fickle arsehole with a delete key that's bigger than their cognitive brain

don't you (the powers that be) think this has been *ignored* long enough? it's high time something was done about it now that more and more people are taking umbrage at this pathetic misuse of moderator power.
Title: Re: Stuck in the Past
Post by: Kintaro on 27 May 2005, 12:00: "I'll tell you what, I'll give you three blacks, and play you for five
..."
"Ta! You was unlucky there son"
"Time gentleman!"