Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Kintaro on 7 July 2005, 01:03
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Nautilus. Thats whats fucking hanging. I have no damn desktop.
I was mucking around with copying some files over FTP, then it stopped responding, so I xkill'd it and now it won't load back up (I logged out and then back in). WTF.
Anyone had a problem like this?
If I execute it from the shell it gives me no errors on the output, simply nothing happens, it just hangs.
x11@kintaro:~$ nautilus
^^ like that.
x11@kintaro:~$ nautilus -c
running nautilus_self_check_file_utilities
running nautilus_self_check_file_operations
running nautilus_self_check_directory
running nautilus_self_check_file
running nautilus_self_check_icon_container
running nautilus_self_check_icon_factory
running nautilus_self_check_file_utilities
running nautilus_self_check_file_operations
running nautilus_self_check_directory
running nautilus_self_check_file
running nautilus_self_check_icon_container
running nautilus_self_check_icon_factory
no errors there either.
Anybody know what I can do? Maybe I should just wipe ~/.nautilus or whatever and start from scratch (a minor, but still major pain in the arse).
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Switch to Windows. It's more stable and secure than linux. :D
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Do an actual reboot.
Then switch to XFce. :D
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Switch to Windows. It's more stable and secure than linux. :D
Don't tempt me.
Windows 2003 is nice.
But not that nice. Windows 2003 would make it difficult to access my cryptoloop DVD of illegal porn.
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Nevermind.
I got it working with no reboot, or anything else.
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What was the problem?
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KDE!!!
Konqeror!!
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KDE sucks bigger dicks than me.
The problem was found when I did a ps aux and found about ten nautilus processes running, so i did a killall, and then ran "nautilus" and everything came back to life.
If I had have been more patent with the ftp process in the first place, it would not have happened.
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Throughout my years of using Linux, I've always gone back and forth between KDE and Gnome. I never really had one I "liked." Konqeuror has really turned into a nice browser though, and KMail is nice too. In my latest Linux venture I've sort of gravitated toward KDE for no explainable reason. Maybe because with the exception of GAIM every app I run is native to KDE.
That aside. I would quit using KDE instantly if someone stood up and said, "Okay guys, enough of this BS -- we're standardizing on X." For the sake of Linux's future on the desktop, some kind of standardization has to occur. Maybe has is a strong word. If it wants to retain its current user base, it will be just fine; if it really wants to become a serious alternative it has to homogenize.
I'd rather an actual distro step up and do it (Fedora, Debian, somebody -- Ubuntu is kind of helping it) than some half-assed Linux 'company' like Linspire. Linspire and its ilk give Linux such a horrible name.
Ubuntu to the rescue. Really, you may hate to hear it and think it's clicheish -- but they're the best bet right now for general users. Now only if IBM, or some big name would step up and throw some cash their way -- ala Mozilla / AOL.
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if someone stood up and said, "Okay guys, enough of this BS -- we're standardizing on X."
And that would be Y Windows (http://www.y-windows.org).
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And that would be Y Windows (http://www.y-windows.org).
Too bad it's under the GPL. That will cause it to fail.
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What license is Y released under?
The server code is released under the GPL. The client libraries (intended for use by application developers) are released under the LGPL. The yiterm program shipped with Y is released under the CPL as it uses the CPL'd libiterm library. (The yiterm program is simply a proof of concept and a GPL'd replacement is planned.)
And what's with GPL software ultimately failing?
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And what's with GPL software ultimately failing?
More BSD-licence-wanking. I don't see any shortage of Apache servers.
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Too bad it's under the GPL. That will cause it to fail.
So you have a problem with the GPL then?
Oh wait, we've gone over this before.
In the future, anything and everything I write (as in programming stuff) in my own time, will almost definetly be GPLed (assuming it's my choice). Even libraries, so if some non-free feckor wants to link with my libraries, they may switch to a free-software licence or gtfo.
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I don't see any shortage of Apache servers.
Apache isn't under the GPL either.
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Apache isn't under the GPL either.
Bah, my mistake, that'd be ASL. Oh well, I can safely say I'm using something that liberally uses the GPL now! ;)
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The reason I think the GPL is wrong in this case is adoption. In order for something like this to be succefull, it needs to be widely adopted. Xorg is now the defacto X standard and it has a license that is more free/developer friendly than Y-Windows.
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So you have a problem with the GPL then?
Oh wait, we've gone over this before.
No I don't.
In the future, anything and everything I write (as in programming stuff) in my own time, will almost definetly be GPLed (assuming it's my choice). Even libraries, so if some non-free feckor wants to link with my libraries, they may switch to a free-software licence or gtfo.
You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.
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Looks like Ubuntu is going to have a bit of help.
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation
$10 Million help.
Good news.
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You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.
In which case, let it fail!
You do know that it's partly LGPL?
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In which case, let it fail!
You do know that it's partly LGPL?
Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver (http://www.y-windows.org/pipermail/y-devel/2004-March/001039.html) support. If not, Y is already dead.
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Kintaro, I've had the same problem. I refrained from using Nautilus in KDE a long time ago, but I remember there was something like
nautilus --no-desktop that prevents that awful Gnome interface from loading in that beautiful KDE desktop.
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Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver (http://www.y-windows.org/pipermail/y-devel/2004-March/001039.html) support. If not, Y is already dead.
All NVIDIA gotta do, is release their drivers under the GPL.
Sorted.
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I don't think they have to do even that...
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I don't think they have to do even that...
Well, there is another way, aparantly:
If they make drivers that link with the Y server, they must release them
under the GPL or not at all (score one for those of us running GNU/Linux
on anything other than x86, and another for us GPL "nuts" :) ). If they
free their drivers, I would gladly volunteer to write a graphical
installer if only because I would be in such a good mood.
If, on the other hand, they link with the client, (I'm sorry to say I
don't yet know enough about how Y works either to know which case would
apply) they will be able to release the drivers as .o files.
I'm glad the Y server is GPL, it'll make it at least a small bit tougher for the video card manufacturers release non-free video drivers.
I'm fecking sick of non-free video drivers. Neither ATi or Nvidia have free (as in freedom, as usual) drivers, and at that, I can't play any half modern 3d games.
Anyone know which other video card manufacturers release free drivers? I know 3dfx used to (they were at least open-source, not sure if they qualify as free software (by GNUs definition)).