Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Bossieman on 21 July 2005, 19:13
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After switching to Linux I cant see my self ever going back to M$.
I first changed because the computer had all this strange kind of problems. So I changed OS to Linux. But now it is not so much that Windows is a bad OS that is the reason not using it. Now it is about money and the way M$ works. I just cant stand behind a company like that. I cant understand how people are prepared to pay for Windows, unbeliviable.
So, can you see your self going back to use M$ OS again?
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No
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M$? Grow up.
To answer your question,Yes. I use windows XP at work. We also have server2003. Exchange is awesome. Roaming profiles is awesome. I never thought that I would say that.
I haven't had any problems with it so far. We have knowledgeable techs maintaining our machines. I'd prefer to use a Mac, but if I can get my work done on Windows, then who cares. I'll use my macs when I get home.
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No!!! Hell No!!!
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No.
If MS was the only option I'd just quit using computers.
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priceless bduoin
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After switching to Linux I cant see my self ever going back to M$.
I first changed because the computer had all this strange kind of problems. So I changed OS to Linux. But now it is not so much that Windows is a bad OS that is the reason not using it. Now it is about money and the way M$ works. I just cant stand behind a company like that. I cant understand how people are prepared to pay for Windows, unbeliviable.
So, can you see your self going back to use M$ OS again?
No.
In my experience, GNU/Linux beats the living crap outta Windows. And then, I don't wanna support Microsoft anymore, when I can support something else.
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Setup a network for me where I can login from any machine as my user, have access to the Adobe Creative Suite, a shared exchange like outlook system, easy to maintain network config, iTunes, access to several shared printers, and maintain it at the same cost as our current Windows network and I will say that I won't go back to M$ :)
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Setup a network for me where I can login from any machine as my user, have access to the Adobe Creative Suite, a shared exchange like outlook system, easy to maintain network config, iTunes, access to several shared printers, and maintain it at the same cost as our current Windows network and I will say that I won't go back to M$ :)
I dunno how well Adobe CS and iTunes would work under Wine.
Do you depend on this software? Because if you do, then it won't matter how good GNU/Linux gets, because you're locked in.
Other than that, I know little about setting up a network, but I'd try if I had the resources, after learning more about networking. As for the cost: nothing for the software...
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I did.
Because being revolutionary is all fine and dandy until you need to get work done.
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I did.
Because being revolutionary is all fine and dandy until you need to get work done.
hahhahaha. Truth.
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hahhahaha. Truth.
I'm not sure if he was serious... Do you use Windows Skyman? o.0
Nevertheless, NOT truth.
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I did. Until I can get myself a Mac, that is.
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I'm not sure if he was serious... Do you use Windows Skyman? o.0
Nevertheless, NOT truth.
I do, in fact, use Windows. I edit video, and until I get a Mac, I use windows because I need to have the Apps I need to get work done, and I need them to work when I need them to, and I need it yesterday. Linuix can't do that for me, and the people make a metric fuckton of excuses when they come up short.
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I do, in fact, use Windows. I edit video, and until I get a Mac, I use windows because I need to have the Apps I need to get work done, and I need them to work when I need them to, and I need it yesterday. Linuix can't do that for me, and the people make a metric fuckton of excuses when they come up short.
Kino (http://kino.schirmacher.de/)
Cinelerra (http://cinelerra.org/)
We have the apps alright.
But do YOU have the skillz? :p
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Haha, you're almost funny.
Kino and Cinelerra are great if your cutting together your kids birthday, but they are NOT, in fact, AVID Media Composer. Ergo, they are useless.
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Haha, you're almost funny.
Kino and Cinelerra are great if your cutting together your kids birthday, but they are NOT, in fact, AVID Media Composer. Ergo, they are useless.
Erm. Cinelerra (I dunno about Kino) is very very very powerful. The only thing going against it from what I can see, is that it's not quite so user friendly, hence you need a bit of "skillz" to grok it.
AVID Media Composer may or may not be more powerful, I know little about it, but to say "Kino and Cinelerra are great if your cutting together your kids birthday" is one heck of an under-statement.
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All NLE's are hard to use. The only reason that I tolerate AVID's learning cliff, is because the industry uses it.
Cinelerra may be powerful, but because very few people use it, knowing it is not likely to come in handy any time soon.
Linux and GNU isn't for everybody. Get over it.
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Linux and GNU isn't for everybody.
Did I say that it is? No, I'm saying that video editing on GNU/Linux isn't all that impossible, and is in some situations (read: whenever whoever is doing the video editing has total freedom to decide what program he/she will use rather than just use the same as everyone else. (Heck. No wonder you use Windows.)) better than video editing in Windows/Mac OS X (and vica versa).
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except windows is better positioned to be an OS to play around with while linux/mac are better OS's to get work done.
stuff gets done in unix. windows propagates problems
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Why do I even bother. "mad skillz" learned on one edit system don't tend to transfer over to another. If you want to make a carrer out of editing. You are going to get laughed out of many a gig because of your training with Cinelerra and Kino.
As good as they are, they are going to have a hell of a hard time getting mainstream acceptance in the film business, simply because they are NOT AVID, or Final Cut Pro.
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Piratepenguin after hearing your (silly/shortsighted) arguments about why skyman should use linux for his work related need I must ask....how old are you?
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i might go back to windows completely if they come out with a resonably stable OS, right now i dual boot.
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Piratepenguin after hearing your (silly/shortsighted) arguments about why skyman should use linux for his work related need I must ask....how old are you?
His profile betrays him, his birthday is June 14, 1990. He is only 15 years of age.
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I
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His profile betrays him, his birthday is June 14, 1990. He is only 15 years of age.
It's easy to make these kind of philosopical arguments, when you don't have to pay the bills.
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Why do I even bother. "mad skillz" learned on one edit system don't tend to transfer over to another. If you want to make a carrer out of editing. You are going to get laughed out of many a gig because of your training with Cinelerra and Kino.
As good as they are, they are going to have a hell of a hard time getting mainstream acceptance in the film business, simply because they are NOT AVID, or Final Cut Pro.
You told me that you're using Windows because you do video editing, and that GNU/Linux doesn't have the applications. I'm telling you that GNU/Linux DOES have the applications, and then you corrected yourself by saying that the REAL reason you use Windows is because all the mainstream/industry accepted video editing applications weren't built for GNU/Linux.
If you want to make a carrer out of editing.
I don't, and I didn't know that you did. I know a few people who do video editing. None of them are looking to make a career out of it. How was I to know, whenever you said that you do video editing, that you wanted to make a career out of it? As far as I was concerned, you do video editing, and because of that, you ruled out GNU/Linux.
Whenever I brought up Kino and Cinelerra, you said "Kino and Cinelerra are great if your cutting together your kids birthday" ... "they are useless", which I saw as an understatement, and mentioned it earlier.
Piratepenguin after hearing your (silly/shortsighted) arguments about why skyman should use linux for his work related need I must ask....how old are you?
It's in my profile, under "Age". 15.
I never once said that Skyman "should use linux for his work related need" (looking at his profile, he's 17. I wouldn't think he has quite made it yet). He said that GNU/Linux doesn't have the applications, and I corrected him. Etc. Read the fucking thread.
It's easy to make these kind of philosopical arguments, when you don't have to pay the bills.
Erm. None of this is philosophical. He said GNU/Linux doesn't have the applications. And that's what this is all about. Because infact, GNU/Linux DOES have the applications, what it doesn't have is industry acceptance. Maybe a few users in the film industry is just what it needs?
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I do, in fact, use Windows. I edit video, and until I get a Mac, I use windows because I need to have the Apps I need to get work done, and I need them to work when I need them to, and I need it yesterday. Linuix can't do that for me, and the people make a metric fuckton of excuses when they come up short.
He makes it seem as though video editing on GNU/Linux is just no fucking good.
Later, he changes his argument to the fact that video editing on GNU/Linux just isn't industry accepted, not that it's no fucking good.
silly/shortsighted
:fu:
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One of the admins at artforms has successfully created a dvd using nothing but Linux applications. Edited the video, created the menus, created the dvd, and everything is working well.
I could have done the same in half the time and half the software on windows or osx. Why would I increase my production time simply because "lol window$ sucks"? I don't know a single one of my clients who would think that it's cool that I can do their project in twice the time because Linux is better. They don't care, and neither do I. The only reason I would use Linux is for Apache and PHP. But my mac handles that just fine.
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One of the admins at artforms has successfully created a dvd using nothing but Linux applications. Edited the video, created the menus, created the dvd, and everything is working well.
I could have done the same in half the time and half the software on windows or osx. Why would I increase my production time simply because "lol window$ sucks"? I don't know a single one of my clients who would think that it's cool that I can do their project in twice the time because Linux is better. They don't care, and neither do I. The only reason I would use Linux is for Apache and PHP. But my mac handles that just fine.
Why the assumption that doing video editing in GNU/Linux always takes twice as long eh?
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For this particular project, it did.
Besides, Linux is a bitch to get working. Still, to this day, it requires far too much tweaking and fiddling, and dealing with terribly written software with horrible user interfaces that defy all logic.
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For this particular project, it did.
Lemme guess. This fella was all trained up in Windows video editing applications and had to figure out the GNU/Linux ones.
Sounds alot like Microsofts "Get the facts" bullshite to me.
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Haha. No, in fact, he is quite the Linux guru. Stop making assumptions :)
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Besides, Linux is a bitch to get working. Still, to this day, it requires far too much tweaking and fiddling, and dealing with terribly written software with horrible user interfaces that defy all logic.
What tweaking and fiddling are you talking about? What terribly written software? What horrible user interfaces (I'm guessing you'll say Cinellera. But the Cinelerra interface is a masterpiece once you get into it)?
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Haha. No, in fact, he is quite the Linux guru. Stop making assumptions :)
OK so he hadn't learned the GNU/Linux video editing tools beforehand or something.
If he was to make another video, would it still take twice as long as with the Windows/Mac applications, I wonder.
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I would imagine it would still take longer. I will find out soon enough.
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Fucking christ, thanks for dragging me into this.
I don't know how long it takes to produce a dvd from avi rips in Windows or OSX. And I really don't fucking care, because I wanted to learn how to do this in Linux. I like the concept of Linux, mostly for political (anti-technocratic) reasons, and I spend a lot of time messing with it. And, perhaps perversely, I enjoy futzing around with flags and settings. Additionally, I think (although I cannot prove) that CLI programs like transcode, mencoder, and dvdauthor do the job Right. That's right with a capital R there, kids. As in "the most correct way possible, cutting no digital corners".
All things considered, I have learned more about video technology doing this than I ever would have using iMovie or MyDVD or something like that. Every disc I make gets better and better, slicker and slicker.
For the overall discussion, I have to say that as a cartographer, I use Linux everyday, and wouldn't trade it for the world. I do have to use Windows though, for Illustrator. That's because there aren't any top-shelf vector programs for Linux yet. But I cringe at the interface - there's just something I can't stand about the way Windows looks and acts.
Yes, I am anti-Windows. But I am also pro-choice, assuming that information is equal. Skyman claims to have used Cinelerra, and found it somewhat inferior to Avid. Fine. When someone makes a choice using all the information that is available to them, then that choice is valid. It's unfortunate that Avid hasn't embraced other platforms and that the industry doesn't embrace other software, but that's another story altogether.
I'm done.
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Well... I didn't try to drag you into this, I just used your project as an example. Constant linux cock sucking annoys me.
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Actually, I thought it was just piratePenguin that annoyed you :P
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That too. He is a terrible poster. You hear that piratePenguin, you are a terrible poster!
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Constant linux cock sucking annoys me.
The reason I really got into this thread is because Skyman made a false claim that GNU/Linux video editing programs just aren't up to scratch.
It's like. What if I said that Mac OS X is absolutely shit for multimedia? Wouldn't you reply and correct me?
Skyman claims to have used Cinelerra, and found it somewhat inferior to Avid
Where did you get that from? From what I've read, Skyman hasn't tried Cinelerra, because it just isn't industry accepted. He's using Avid because that's what the film industry uses.
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The reason I really got into this thread is because Skyman made a false claim that GNU/Linux video editing programs just aren't up to scratch.
Prove that they are, show me case studies where studios have successfully completed projects to client specifications using Linux & open source applications. Show me that they also decided to use free open source software because it offered functionality and tools superior to "industry standard" and well suported applications most studios use today. There is no incentive to switch if all it can do is match existing software, and lacks the same level of support. "Free" software just isn't enough. It needs to be supported. I should be able to hire people who know how to use it. It should be an improvement over the current system, and still remain cost effective. I'd rather pay $3000 up front for software that I know my team can use, because the time saved on the project means a higher profit for me in the long run; we can get more work out the door in less time.
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Prove that they are, show me case studies where studios have successfully completed projects to client specifications using Linux & open source applications. Show me that they also decided to use free open source software because it offered functionality and tools superior to "industry standard" and well suported applications most studios use today. There is no incentive to switch if all it can do is match existing software, and lacks the same level of support. "Free" software just isn't enough. It needs to be supported. I should be able to hire people who know how to use it. It should be an improvement over the current system, and still remain cost effective. I'd rather pay $3000 up front for software that I know my team can use, because the time saved on the project means a higher profit for me in the long run; we can get more work out the door in less time.
http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/07/08/140221&from=rss
[size=-1]Cinelerra provides industrial strength capabilities and doesn't really spend a lot of time hand-holding beginners
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/12/30/cinelerra.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra
No case studies, that's the results of a very quick google search. Just so you get an idea of the raw power of this application. Not to be shunned.
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The whole industry standard thing is a bad scene. 5 years ago, there weren't really any professional non-linear editors for the personal computer (Premiere wasnt pro-quality at that time). Most NLE was done on an AVID system. But somebody had the idea that doing it on another platform might be more efficient and more productive. At first, it wasn't, that's the way it goes with technology. Eventually, though, the tech was good enough and the people were trained enough that it became smart to throw AVID software on your PC.
Features and power and stability and cost and more all combine to make the package. Whichever package has the most is the winner. In the case of cinelerra, price and Linux' memory management are the things they have going for them. Use-curve and platform-trust are AVID's big pros. And as cinelerra gets better (probably by the week, knowing Linux developers), the balance may shift.
I've never edited video or film, but I'm not talking out of my ass either.
Linux - when you're ready to come in, we'll be here for you
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Adobe CS runs under Crossover Office.
I can get plenty of work done under Linux.
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Yes. Fuck Yes.
Gaming...
(don't give me that 'emulating' bullshit)
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Why write native apps if you can just emulate? Why emulate when you can run natively? I'd rather just use a mac.
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Best reason to not use Windows?
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/28d3/
Chicks dig Unix
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it sucks lol
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Nope, I will not switch back, at least not on my home PC. Actually I still have WXP as a secondary OS - which used to be the only OS on this computer. I occasionally play games and nearly all of my hard disk space is formatted into NTFS. There's just too much data to convert them to something else without a lot of work.
I'm planning not to ever "upgrade" to Hasta la Vista or even get any PC that comes with Windows. I'll probably have problems, Linux isn't perfect. But if I can get things done as well as or at least almost as well as with Windows, I'm happy. Microsoft's business methods sicken me and I don't want to support them in any way. Call me a rebel, idealist, freak, whatever. To some point, I might agree. ;)
Moreover, Linux and other free software is inevitably going to get better because the community only cares about improving the software. I can't say I think the same about Windows. MS only cares about money so they don't have to make it any better as long as the masses still buy it because there are new cool graphical effects that utilize better (ie. spend all) the processing power of the brand new PC they bought.
I think using Linux eventually pays off. Hell, it already does. Now that I have learned to set everything up properly, it's much more pleasant to use. I feel I'm in control for once.
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I use Winbloze Xpee and Bill Gaytz now ownz my sole.
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BeOS is poifect :)
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Setup a network for me where I can login from any machine as my user, have access to the Adobe Creative Suite, a shared exchange like outlook system, easy to maintain network config, iTunes, access to several shared printers, and maintain it at the same cost as our current Windows network and I will say that I won't go back to M$ :)
i used to use windows 2003 on my servers, i ended un banging my head against wall and knocking myself unconcios once due to windows 2003 i had these problems:
on my first mail server install i forgot to make a postmaster account, so 1 bad mail made a never ending loop of mails and errors attempting to goto postmaster:
error [email protected] ([email protected]) does not exist, sending error to [email protected] ([email protected]) (this kept looping till it made 60gig of bad mail and i had to re install
on my second attempt at setting up the mail server i did somthing very stupid, i actually turned on logging under a windows server, people attempted to spam through the server so the error log got to 10gig, i had to reinstall again because the file was too big to delete
then i made a debian 3.1 mail server with postfix, i turned on logging, no problems, no problems at all
and about converting back:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oneoneoneoneone
these were just problems i had with mail server, sometime i will make a page with all the crap in windows server 2003
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For the love of all that is good! Use some fucking whitespace.
Idiots like you make people have to scroll horizontally.
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So because you are an incompetent windows user, windows sucks? Wow.
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What the fuck, eh? This is in fact an anti-Microsoft forum. If you think Windows is good enough, then why bother to post here?
If you're playing devil's advocate, then say so.
(I'm talking to you, xsyle!)
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I am playing devils advocate. None of these new members have any clue who I am or my posting history here, so I wanted to play around. However, I did have a reason. No one posts for shit. "Window$ sucks lol" is the extent of it. That is really going to make me stop using it, yeah. I just want people to actually debate and put some effort into their posts. If that isn't going to happen then fuck it, back to Voidmains forums I will go (I haven't posted there in a while, but I do have some questions...)
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I agree, I don't see any point in stupid "Micro$haft Winbloze $uCk$ DonKy Cock$" posts - it really doesn't help our cause. I really feel that this forum has gone down hill recently because these kinds of posts have become more common in the last month or so.
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It all started because we changed the name of the site.
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It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
It all started because we changed the name of the site.
truth
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Uh, fuckmicrosoft.com still forwards to microsuck. Unless you're talking about some reallyreallyreally old name.
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(http://www.microsuck.com/images/msuck-logo.gif)
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Ture the pussy name of this site doesn't help but the repetition in your post dosen't make your point any stronger.
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Bah, it was worth a try. I assumed repetition equaled emphasis, like rubbing a dogs nose in the carpet when it continues to piss on it.
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i would whole heartidly use a microsoft operating system agian, under several circumstances
first off, sever all ties with hostile ass groups like the riaa and mpaa, stab sco in the back, and opensource all that is microsoft. and put the patent archive into public domain. and use its legal team to do something good like get cannabis legalized.
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For gaming I'll stay on windows until linux gets better support. Only because its a pain in the ass to make wine and games work most of the time. Otherwise, I'm quite happy with linux.
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You can run Windows and Linux alongside each other. :rolleyes:
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For gaming I'll stay on windows until linux gets better support. Only because its a pain in the ass to make wine and games work most of the time. Otherwise, I'm quite happy with linux.
Have you tried Cedega (http://www.transgaming.com/) yet?
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I agree, I don't see any point in stupid "Micro$haft Winbloze $uCk$ DonKy Cock$" posts - it really doesn't help our cause. I really feel that this forum has gone down hill recently because these kinds of posts have become more common in the last month or so.
That particular reference does appear a bit over the top, but I encourage the use of terms like Microshaft, M$, etc. It helps convey the idea that there are people who don't respect Microsoft, some of whom even hate Microsoft. If you're afraid of using those kinds of words out of fear that people will think you're childish, what does that make you? A pussy!
For crying out loud, if I worried about what stupid people think about me, I'd be as stupid as they are - and most Americans ARE stupid.
Frankly, some of you sound like a bunch of Democrats. "Don't call George Bush a Nazi, or people will think we're extremists!"
Earth to Base Camp: No one excels at name calling better than Republicans, and they've been kicking butt. Don't support Bush's invasion of Iraq? You're a traitor. Don't like corporate welfare? You're practicing "class warfare."
Bill Gates is an ASSHOLE, and I'd like to see the public associate the name Microsoft with Microsucks, Microshaft, etc. It's good strategy.
Regarding Microsuck.com members who use Windows, I'm one of them. So what?
Blasting people who use Windows while blasting Microsoft sends out the wrong message; it says the millions of people who use Windodws can't criticize Microsoft! Well, guess what? I use oil, too, but that doesn't stop me from criticizing Exxon and Chevron.
Many people - myself included - are stuck in a "Microsoft rut." I opted for a PC years ago, long before I had a clue about Microsoft corruption or politics in general. I had no idea Windows would suck better than a Hoover vacuum cleaner.
After having invested thousands of dollars and hours in software and training, I can't just jump up and switch. I've moved all my websites to Linux servers, and much of my software is open source. But I don't have the time OR the money to quit cold turkey right now.
I hope to move farther away from Microsoft after I get my websites more squared away and have some money to play with. But that time may be far in the future.
And there's still another perspective to consider. Imagine if an Iraqi freedom fighter snatched an assault rifle from a dead U.S. soldier and used it to kill more U.S. soldiers. Would that make him a traitor to his cause, to his homeland? Of course not!
Not only is it OK to use the enemy's weapons against him, it can actually be cool.
So I say KUDOS to everyone who has ditched Microsoft for an alternative operating system. But I also say KUDOS to people who are blasting Microsoft even while stuck in a Microsoft rut. And never forget, there are far more of them.
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I have used Linux for a long time now. Orginally it started with be being in similar shoes as some of the more opinionated members of this forum. I was young, I read on all the horrible things Microsoft had done and this moved me to not want to use there software out of hard blooded idealism. Before I knew about Microsoft's evil I was toying around with Linux. I had ran it for a number of years before I joined this forum.
Microsoft Software, just like Linux, just like everything else has problems. This was one of my major motives. On many of my machines I found Linux more reliable because it put the power in my hands to do things with the system. It was far better documented and the community was and still is very helpful. This provided a major benefit for me at such a young age, it was a great learning tool for what interested me, computers. Linux allowed me to explore and discover more than I could with Windows, and learn more about the workings of programs and other things.
However like a lot of people here I needed to get work done, so there have been times where I have switched back to Windows. For most of the time in my early days of using Linux I would dual boot. However this was never really to get work done, but to play games. I remember when I was fifteen years old I would fuck my PC up all the time, so it was not a reliable device for doing my homework with all my fucking around and inevitably fucking it up. I had a Mac Classic with Microsoft Works 1.0, which I would use to do all my schoolwork. It never crashed, and it never gave me any troubles at all.
Nowadays I use Linux for pretty much everything, I don't play games much and when I do they are on a console anyway. I like consoles because I am sick of fucking around with DirectX, cedega, OpenGL drivers, and all forms of other bullshit (that and the video card in my laptop sucks arse, in Windows and Linux). However I have a system with Windows 2003 server and Visual Studio .NET that I used to learn about C# on. I also use Windows under VMware for Windows Messenger webcam chatting with Sarah and recording stuff in Acid Pro 4.
On the whole, I would not switch back to Windows as my primary OS, because I don't need to. On top of that I have learned how to use Linux and it is a lot better for me because it is what I know. I am quite locked into Linux because I am so used to the user interface and the way it does things that I am almost completly lost these days with Windows systems. However I am still not as bad as some users out there.
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IF you used BeOS, installation of GL 3d drivers requires moving two files into one folder, and not even a reboot is required. trufax.
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I have used Linux for a long time now. Orginally it started with be being in similar shoes as some of the more opinionated members of this forum. I was young, I read on all the horrible things Microsoft had done and this moved me to not want to use there software out of hard blooded idealism.
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How can you say "I was young" when you're 16 year old? :D
See, I was reading through some of the posts and was surprised reading some of the nonsense (sorry, but that
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Thank you, that just summed up, what I have been trying to get through to the people here.
Being revolutionary is fine and dandy until you have to pay the bills.
I used to be like a lot of the other people here. Then I grew up, and now this forum is my scratching post.
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Being revolutionary is fine and dandy until you have to pay the bills.
If that were always true, then how did any revolution ever take place?
And, since I have no time nor very good debate skills...
Rant based on us being young and not having the independent streak beaten out of us yet by our elders
Yeah. :thumbup:
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To wings.
People that use Windows are using it because of the same reason people are still using Qwerty keyboards: it's what comes standard.
Most folks are generally to lazy to try something new, or to relearn what they have been used to, to trade in for something much better.
Windows, in my opinion, doesn't work right out the box. You have to download tons of plug-ins, updates, install Office packets, and other stuff that comes right out of the box in one of the modern Linux distributions.
Yes, it's true that Linux doesn't run Photoshop natively, but you can't blame Linux for it.
It's the company of the application that needs to port. If it's easy to port, like in the case of OpenGL games like UT 2004 and DOOM III, a company is more willing to port their game to the Linux operating system.
Macromedia already has plans however to port some of their applications to Linux. They have already ported their Flash player.
I hope the visious circle in which Linux is now can be broken.
About .NET, C# and ASP where okay I guess, but I hated they way Visual Studio 2003 was between geekdom and Mac-like user friendlyness.
Microsoft, make up your mind already!
It's though out there in the IT world, and as an IT student, I have to learn Windows and Windows programs. At the same time, I know more than what I'm theached, because I also know and use Linux.
By using alternatives to Microsoft, you immediatly know more that what the Microsoft world is offering you.
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I still prefer using windows for home use, its much faster. Linux is just fustratingly slow with a gui. I never have had spyware/virus and it only crashed because of nVidia Desktop wizard which I fixed by turning it off. If you know what you're doing there's plenty of free software to protect you. (AVG, ZoneAlarm/Sygate, HijackThis).
I'm getting Linux for intellectual exercise really, Win XP provides everything I need, is completely stable when I use it and is much nicer to use. It also has a more diverse range of free software available (esp games).
I can't stand MSVS (especially .NET) its too busy. I use MinGWStudio and if I have to use MS I edit code in Notepad2 and just compile it.
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I wouldn't bash Windows if I didn't see a problem with it.
At the moment, it is running fine (Windows 2000 SP4).
But in the past, I have had major problems with it, it's nice to be able to switch into Linux to get the stability it provides, without being annoyed by frequent program crashes and freezing. :)
I have no problem with it at the moment, yes, it does what I want it to do perfectly, but so does Linux, without the annoyances that Windows gives me.
I am currently evaluating GNOME 2.6 on Slackware Linux 10.1, and so far, it is a LOT faster than both WindowMaker and Fluxbox. :)
As I have said previously, I am having no problem with Windows at the moment, but I know that eventually I will, and when that time comes, it is nice to have something on the side to use that is both secure & functional. ;)
Another point to make, Linux is very good for keeping your data secure, which is something I like to be able to do from the offset, instead of spending a long time "securing" Windows just to store my files there. :thumbdwn:
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How can you say "I was young" when you're 16 year old? :D
Earth to idiot: err... I am seventeen years old, I am 18 years old in a month.
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See, I was reading through some of the posts and was surprised reading some of the nonsense (sorry, but that
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If you ever encounter this situation:
fresh install of a windows operating system. connect to the internet. with in 5 minutes you get virus's .
that's the problem.
ps- wings you're awesome. except some things.
Forums are for posting. Not writing books. IF you want to write books, go to wikibooks and complain there.
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Am I insane or did the last line of your post there make no sense at all. This is a forum for discussing and debating and all those other things that come with having opinions, oh who knows maybe thats just my opinion.
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So, you use Windows because she uses Windows, and she uses Windows because they use Windows, and they use Windows because that other guy over there uses Windows, and he uses Windows because it came on his computer when he bought it. That's a pretty shallow and shitty reason to do something. You are basically looking at this marketplace that Microsoft created for you and saying "I guess it will have to do". That's your choice, I guess, but personally, I think that the marketplace can and will provide better options than what Microsoft wants to spoon-feed you.
By the way, not everyone here is a kid. I'm over 30, and I learned how to program in BASIC and Logo back when most of the forum members were zygotes. I grew up on Win 3.1 and Apple II. And I have since learned how to live without Microsoft by choice.
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I can backup that, worker201.
I may be 16, but I grew up on an Apple Macintosh Elsie 475, I have used a variety of systems, including RISC OS, Spectrum ZX, Atari ST and Commodore.
When I was introducted to Windows 3.1 (at the age of about 6), I really liked it, but of course, until I actually noticed the problems with Windows, I enjoyed using it.
But nowadays, I am a lot sharper, and I see the problems with Windows, which is why I prefer Linux over Windows. :)
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I have been programming in BASIC since I was 6 or 7 years old, so blow me old fart.
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Looks like this 'old fart' got pwnt. ;)
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Wouldn't be the first time I was blown by an old fart either.
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Looks like this 'old fart' got pwnt. ;)
Either that or he was a drive-by troll. We've gotten those before.
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Ok, I gotta respond to this thread. Although I read this forum regularly, I don't post a whole lot lately.
First of all I am an "old fart." I'm 53. And I've been using PC's for at least as long as Wings. And I did start with using Microsoft software. DOS 3.3 to be exact.
Secondly I will not go back to using Microsoft. OK, I do still have a Win98 box at home, old and slow enough to not be worth updating to Linux. I do use it once a year to do my taxes, and maybe once or twice a year for other reasons. But when that thing dies, it will not be replaced with another box running Microsoft.
And I do have to eat and pay bills and do not see myself as a "revolutionary," just someone who needs good reliable software to get his work done. My "main" home computer is a FC3/FC4 dual boot. At work, my full time job, (Director of Facilities for a college) I will shortly be running NLD (Novell Linux Desktop). I also have a part time job as a New York State Judge and my court has been running Fedora Core for years.
I don't do non-linear video editing or any intensive graphics work, so those particular things are not important to me. I do need a good office suite, and OpenOffice meets my needs there perfectly. I do like to play CD's when I'm working, and although as a practical matter, I rarely watch DVD's on my computer, I do make sure that I have the ability to do so.
My wife prefers Linux to MSWindows, altough for quite a while that was a bit of a battle. A couple of years ago she had to do some work at home and wasn't able to open her MSWord document on our Win98 box with MSOffice97. Her office had upgraded to MSWord2000. I showed her how to work with it in OpenOffice on one of my Linux boxes. Then she found popup-free tabbed web browsing. Pretty soon I had to build her a decent Linux box or I'd never be able to use mine :-)
My kids have managed to do pretty well for themselves without MSWindows. My oldest daughter runs Fedora, my younger has a dual boot Slackware/FC4 PC and a G4 Mac desktop. My oldest daughter graduated college a few years ago, never used MSWindows or MSOffice and has a great job. My youngest daughter has a 3.8 GPA, is studying neuroscience and already has grad schools offering her full tuition, housing, and stipend scholarships and she still has another year of undergraduate work to go. Oh, yeah, she doesn't use MSWindows or MSOffice either.
Now to respond to the troll Wings:
Now kids, let me tell you this; most pros in the fourties like me don't waste their time on forums like these.
Fair enough
People have a choice as which OS the should use? No, people don't always have a choice and that's the whole issue. The fact is that it's almost impossible to use Linux without touching any Windows software, unless you
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Nice work, Jim!
Of course not everyone has Void Main to help them out. Or, more to the point, not everyone realises that there are great knowledgeable helpers like Void Main out there. Really, Linux is like having 5 or 6 personal advisors for every program on my computer! If you get into the community and report bugs and ask questions and watch mailing lists, you'll be Linuxized in no time at all. As I have said before, the learning curve of Linux is only a problem to the stupid and lazy.
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I cannot but agree with the last two posts. Nice work indeed.
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Of course not everyone has Void Main to help them out. Or, more to the point, not everyone realises that there are great knowledgeable helpers like Void Main out there
That's true. Without the help I've received from Void Main and so many other people on the various Linux forums, I probably would have not been able to completely convert. Or, if I still had made it, it would have been a lot more difficult.
But then I don't claim to be a "network engineer" or a computer guru of any sort. I'm a heck of a lot closer to "Aunt Tilly" or let's make that "Uncle Oscar" than this guy claims to be.
I use computers to get stuff done and really don't have any formal education in computers, operating systems, scripting, or anything else. A lot like your typical MSWindows user. Except I did make the effort to move to a better OS.
I guess what I really want to say is that for *most* typical users, Linux can do everything that MSWindows can. Also, if a Linux system weren't more reliable and easier to operate and maintain (once you've gotten past learning the basics) I might still be using MSWindows.
When some clown represents himself as a computer expert of any sort and starts bashing Linux like this Wings guy did, then I have to jump in.
Jim
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Nice work, Jim!
Of course not everyone has Void Main to help them out. Or, more to the point, not everyone realises that there are great knowledgeable helpers like Void Main out there. Really, Linux is like having 5 or 6 personal advisors for every program on my computer! If you get into the community and report bugs and ask questions and watch mailing lists, you'll be Linuxized in no time at all. As I have said before, the learning curve of Linux is only a problem to the stupid and lazy.
Personally I don't believe in stupid. I think people are just not interested or lazy. Nobody is born stupid, its a choice.
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Interesting thought. I myself believe strongly in "choice", in most of life's matters. To this day, it has been mostly spiritual strength and disease resistance (immune system). As for actual capabilities - I'm not decided yet.
But then, if you said a person can choose whether or not they behave stupidly, whether or not they can think logically, WON they can think in abstract meanings, WONTC do what others can't - where is the boundary between all that and deciding who you are born? Where you are born? What (species, race, class) you are born into?
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Will you ever go back to M$ OS?
nope.
why would i?
why would anybody even ask this?
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Personally I don't believe in stupid. I think people are just not interested or lazy. Nobody is born stupid, its a choice.
1. Your theory is cute, but you have to admit that there is a difference between my brain and Einstein's brain. Compared to him, we all look like idiots.
2. Stupid was perhaps the wrong word there. But it seemed more concise than "unable to properly adapt to a new environment". Grandpa and Grandma aren't going to be able to grasp Linux. My dad can barely manage Windows. Christ, there are professors here that can't even manage OSX - that's scary! And one professor doesn't even have a computer. He just completed a 650 page book - on a typewriter! None of these people I mention are stupid - in fact, most of them are geniuses. But they will forever be computer illiterate. They just aren't mentally prepared for an electronic environment. Us somewhat younger folks, we get exposed earlier, and take to it better.
This raises an interesting question - there are people alive right now who have never known a world without Windows. Will they on the whole be more creative with computers, since they have always been around? Or will they be more boring with computers, since they are so commonplace? Only time will tell.
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From what I experienced, people don't want to change anything.
Take Firefox for example. It's better and faster, and it's fully usable by IE users, in the most scariest detail.
Still, people fear changing anything on their computer.
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From what I experienced, people don't want to change anything.
Take Firefox for example. It's better and faster, and it's fully usable by IE users, in the most scariest detail.
Still, people fear changing anything on their computer.
That's true. Any good arguments I could use to convince my father? (apart from being faster, better etc.)
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That's true. Any good arguments I could use to convince my father? (apart from being faster, better etc.)
Freedom. :thumbup:
I actually never mention "freedom" whenever I'm talking about GNU to non-techies, I just say "It's only right.", "Microsoft are only interested in money, not making good software.", etc.
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If he is fine with Windows, why FORCE him to change?
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Freedom in software is a concept most people outside the alternative-OS world will not understand easily.
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Hrm.
Personally I don't try to convince anyone that GNU/Linux is the best operating system for them. Because: a) I am and elitest prick and I hate n00bs enough already without them phoning me with their Linux problems. b) It isn't the best operating system. c) It is up to them to goto the newsagents and buy a book explaining how to install and use a Linux system with a free copy of Fedora Core with it. Hell thats exactly how I got into Linux, I got one of those n00b books from the newsagents.
If people want to use Linux they can do it on their fucking own. I am willing to answer questions I see, as long as they arn't completely retarded, then I just ignore them.
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If he is fine with Windows, why FORCE him to change?
Are we forcing him? No, we're trying to convince him.
What the fuck is it with some ppl here?
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I think stupidity is a comparison, not a truth. ;)
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I once heard: Everything is relative, just stupidity is absolute...