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Title: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 29 July 2005, 22:41
ok i ned a linux based operating system that i can instal on my laptop with has a original amd k6  with 93 megs of ram and a ten gig hard drive i need something that has a music player that suports mp3 as well as other formats and a vidioplayer it has to be compatable with wireless cards. can anyone help me?
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: skyman8081 on 29 July 2005, 22:42
Gentoo.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: xyle_one on 29 July 2005, 23:14
Google
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Orethrius on 29 July 2005, 23:37
Quote from: Cat OS
ok i ned a linux based operating system that i can instal on my laptop with has a original amd k6 with 93 megs of ram and a ten gig hard drive i need something that has a music player that suports mp3 as well as other formats and a vidioplayer it has to be compatable with wireless cards. can anyone help me?

I would recommend starting off with VectorLinux 5.1 (http://ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/vectorlinux/veclinux-5.0/iso/VL-5.1-std.iso), which should fit your demands.  It comes standard with XMMS (for MP3s, Oggs, and really any other audio file you can throw at it) and MPlayer (which will handle your AVIs, WMVs, MPGs, and so on).  If you require a more robust GUI, I would recommend Xine (http://xinehq.de/) or VideoLAN VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/), both of which we can help you setup from source, though neither has been tested with those hardware specs.  Finally, wireless card config should be built-in, but it may take a bit of doing the first time through.  Both I and WMD have been through that stage successfully, so feel free to ask us any questions you may have on that front.

Have fun! :tux:
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 30 July 2005, 00:04
thanks ore ill most likly contact you   becuse ill have questions
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Siplus on 30 July 2005, 00:20
I would advice using a lightweight window manager instead of Gnome or KDE.

With only 93mb of ram, it would just make your computer a little more responsive to use XFCE, enlightenment, or which ever WM you prefer.

Gentoo would optimize your performace, but how would you rate your linux experience?
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: worker201 on 30 July 2005, 00:25
I used to have a K6 with a 10MB HD and 128MB RAM.  Ran Suse 8 on it for awhile, and then switched to Slackware 9.1.  Worked fine.  Gnome and KDE were both well-behaved, although they have probably gotten bigger since then.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: bedouin on 30 July 2005, 00:30
So you guys are telling him to use Gentoo when he's probably never touched a Linux distribution in his life?  Im a Debian fan but I wouldn't really suggest it to a newbie -- at least if he's installing from scratch; once setup it's another story.

Here's my first recommendation, download and burn both the Ubuntu and Kubuntu live CDs.  These do not require you to do a full installation of Linux, or repartition your hard drive.  If your hardware is supported with the live CDs, it should be fine with an actual install.  Your experience will be slow since it's running entirely off a CD ROM, and has no swap space, but you'll get a feel for things.

If the live CDs work out well, you can download the full install of Ubuntu or Kubuntu.  From there you can look at getting some lighter window managers, which should be a breeze with apt-get and some minor configuration.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Siplus on 30 July 2005, 00:43
I'm not sure 93mb of ram is enough for Ubuntu/KUbuntu live cd.

Maybe 'Damn Small Linux' would work out for you. Last I checked, It was about a 50mb download and has fluxbox (i think) as the default WM.

I agree about the Gentoo being a bad suggestion for a first distro
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: adiment on 30 July 2005, 01:48
Quote from: bedouin
So you guys are telling him to use Gentoo when he's probably never touched a Linux distribution in his life? Im a Debian fan but I wouldn't really suggest it to a newbie -- at least if he's installing from scratch; once setup it's another story.

Here's my first recommendation, download and burn both the Ubuntu and Kubuntu live CDs. These do not require you to do a full installation of Linux, or repartition your hard drive. If your hardware is supported with the live CDs, it should be fine with an actual install. Your experience will be slow since it's running entirely off a CD ROM, and has no swap space, but you'll get a feel for things.

If the live CDs work out well, you can download the full install of Ubuntu or Kubuntu. From there you can look at getting some lighter window managers, which should be a breeze with apt-get and some minor configuration.

You can also order free live and installation cds off http://ubuntu.com/ (and they will pay for shipping!):thumbup:
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 30 July 2005, 02:08
ubuntu was... how should i say this... ran like crap... crash often due to errors and was generaly a headace and as for my experience its.... nill
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Orethrius on 30 July 2005, 02:58
Quote from: Cat OS
ubuntu was... how should i say this... ran like crap... crash often due to errors and was generaly a headace and as for my experience its.... nill

Yeah, I can see that.  Ubuntu... on a K6... with 93 megs RAM.  Guys, it's cool, but it's not THAT versatile.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 30 July 2005, 03:59
right now im installing vector so ill have an update on how it works out tomorow
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Kintaro on 30 July 2005, 05:31
I would suggest Trustix Secure Linux, it has some neat documentation on its website and a good mailing list where people can help you set it up, it is also damn small, has fuck all services on by default (postfix, and thats about it, you even need to turn on SSH manually).

It is easy to administer and manage because it is based on Red-Hat however it is VERY minimal. It also has swup which allows you to install packages easily, its a great distribution. You can install Window Managers, X, xfce, xine, mplayer, xmms, whatever later on.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 30 July 2005, 06:17
ok i havevector instaled but when installing it didnt install my linksys wireless g card how can i install it
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Annorax on 30 July 2005, 09:25
I'm still trying to figure out how that guy could have 93mb of RAM.

What distro should my gaming box become? It'll basically have to be able to run Windows-based poker clients and the icculus.org version of Freespace 2.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: worker201 on 30 July 2005, 11:39
Mathematically speaking, 93MB RAM does seem a bit strange.  Unless his laptop has like 4 memory slots, and 2 of them are filled with 1/2MB chips.

He probably means 96, which is a 64 and a 32.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 30 July 2005, 20:13
this is how i only have 93 megs..... its a compaq presorio laptop 1626 and the bios is one of the worls worst mistakes..
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: WMD on 30 July 2005, 22:06
Quote from: Cat OS
ok i havevector instaled but when installing it didnt install my linksys wireless g card how can i install it

Depends on the model.  Which is it?
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 31 July 2005, 00:18
its a linksys wireless G notbook adapter modle # WPC54G ver 2
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: solemnwarning on 31 July 2005, 00:54
Quote from: Cat OS
its a linksys wireless G notbook adapter modle # WPC54G ver 2

i have 1 of those, i wouldant get ur hopes up i bought a new card that had linux support and wasnt crap (Orinoco gold 802.11a\b\g Cardbus card)
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: WMD on 31 July 2005, 03:34
Quote from: Cat OS
its a linksys wireless G notbook adapter modle # WPC54G ver 2

That's a Broadcom-based card.  They are an enemy of Linux ever since they refused to provide drivers or documentation.  You're screwed, save ndiswrapper.  That works.  http://ndiswrapper.sf.net  Otherwise, you can get another card.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: toadlife on 1 August 2005, 01:23
Quote from: xyle_one
Google

Good answer, but I'd point him here (http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/) first.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: piratePenguin on 1 August 2005, 01:52
Picking a GNU/Linux distro is not exactly easy.
Cat OS mightn't even have used GNU/Linux before.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 1 August 2005, 03:46
*takes a look athttp://ndiswrapper.sf.net (http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/) :confused:  :nothappy: :fu: :mad:    :fu: *
 
lost...
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Orethrius on 1 August 2005, 03:55
Quote from: Cat OS
*takes a look athttp://ndiswrapper.sf.net (http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/) :confused:  :nothappy: :fu: :mad:    :fu: *
 
lost...

I'm talking to some of the other members about this, hopefully we'll have a quick tutorial slapped together in the next 24 hours.  If it's what I think it is, all you'll need to do is download the source to a separate computer, then use the ethernet cable to transfer the files to your laptop (we'll detail how to do this if you don't have a CD burner).  I assume you have a home broadband router, do you have an additional patch cable (so we can put both boxen online for the duration)?  If so, you could just download the source directly.  Details will be forthcoming, but I'd really appreciate a direct contact through AIM or Y!IM or something to speed the process.  ;)
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: ksym on 1 August 2005, 22:52
Quote from: Cat OS
ok i ned a linux based operating system that i can instal on my laptop with has a original amd k6 with 93 megs of ram and a ten gig hard drive i need something that has a music player that suports mp3 as well as other formats and a vidioplayer it has to be compatable with wireless cards. can anyone help me?

1 GB hard disk?

Sorry, no can do. No GNU/Linux system would fit there with the components you just described ...

You see, GNU/Linuxes are all OSS systems, so they constantly
evolve and change when you update them. Your distro will change it's "base-system" layout at least every year, and many independent software component might drag in some extra dependencies when upgraded. Nuff said.

Even the leanest system would need 5 GB to do any good. And if you refuse to update your system, you can't install new software in it, since the guys who compile the binary packages seem to link to the newest components available ...

Get at least 5 GB HD, and then you could try Slackware. Otherwise i'd suggest you stick with Winblows 98 SE or some other ancient piece of crap OS.
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Orethrius on 1 August 2005, 23:05
Quote from: ksym
1 GB hard disk?

Sorry, no can do. No GNU/Linux system would fit there with the components you just described ...

Um, he said TEN gigs, and Vector fits those specs quite nicely.
As for the one gig, have you never heard of Damn Small Linux?  Nobody said he needs KPat or any one of a dozen useless side packages included in the GNU distributions.  ;)
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Cat OS on 1 August 2005, 23:45
were in guiken did you find one gig in my paragraph...
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: ksym on 2 August 2005, 00:08
Quote from: Orethrius
Um, he said TEN gigs, and Vector fits those specs quite nicely.

Fuck I've never learned to read properly. Sucks to be me ...

Vector will go fine with 10 gigs.

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As for the one gig, have you never heard of Damn Small Linux?  

DSL is fine, but it can not be extended very easily ...
I mean, they've stripped away the package management database, so that one can't know what components are there.

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Nobody said he needs KPat or any one of a dozen useless side packages included in the GNU distributions.  ;)

Agree.

But still, the problem is that GNU/Linux systems have no good base-system spesifications, so that package maintainers need to drag in extra dependencies. Or maybe this applies to all OSS systems?
Title: Re: in need of a linux operating system
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 2 August 2005, 00:58
May I suggest, Ubuntu and Knoppix, I think the former recommends 128MB of RAM but should run ok on 96MB, however the latter will run on just 96MB with out a swap partition so it should fly, but I don't know how easy it is to install on a hard disc.