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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Kintaro on 28 September 2005, 17:40
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Well I have finally fucked off Ubuntu and I am now running Debian, with little trouble merging my existing configurations for Deer Park, Crossover Office, VMware 5, and Azureus.
It works better than Ubuntu, like shitloads better. In fact, it is fucking awesome.
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Funny, I know someone yesterday who just formatted off Debian, saying that it sucked. He is now using Ubuntu and likes it...
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I like Ubuntu. But I don't know any better (all I can say is that mandrake/iva is a LOT worse).
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I like Ubuntu. But I don't know any better (all I can say is that mandrake/iva is a LOT worse).
I quite loved Mandrake back in the day.
I intend on installing Ubuntu 5.10 to see what it's like and to try and look at things from a newbie perspective, to see how hard it would be for newbies to use.
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I finally got Ubuntu after requesting the CD's 2 months ago.
Tried the live CD.
its hidieous and empty.
Sound worked fine tho.
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"Well I have finally fucked off Ubuntu and I am now running Debian..."
Never gave Ubuntu a go. Then, again, I'm way past the "n00b" stage. I prefer Slack, and what I have is a highly customized version that includes quite a bit of soft and extras that just weren't on the Slack install CD (Enlightenment, WebMin, emelFM, Feh, GImageView, GRUB, iv, JEdit). That's what I like about Slack: it's quite easy to set up a minimal install, then flesh it out later.
If "Noobuntu" is like most of the "newbie" distros, I'd have to go back and rip out too much stuff to make it like I like. Why bother?
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I can't believe how few programs are on it and how ugly it is, the best way to introduce a noob is to make them feel comfortable with the interface and to provide all the basic software they'll ever need.
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I've tried ubuntu, and (for what it's worth) here's my opinion:
Installation
This was pretty easy and like Vector Linux and Windows XP it didn't give me very much choice, so on this front it's very newb friendly, and everything worked apart from my NTL cable modem.
Configureation
I still had to edit some text files to get things to work the way I like so on this front it isn't ver newb friendly.
General use
Not too bad, GNOME is fairly easy to use and most tasks are point and click.
Overall
Ok, a fairly average newb distro, but I wouldn't recommend it to a tru newb as you often still have to edit text files to get things working the way you want.
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What textfiles did you have to edit and what would you recommend instead?
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Ah I tried the Gnome 2.12 Live CD a few days ago, that runs Ubuntu, it was horrible, hated it. :rolleyes:
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What textfiles did you have to edit
I can't remember exactly but I had to edit the following:
fstab to get it automount my NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
X86Config to set up the graphics properly.
grub.conf to set it up to boot Windows by default and to change the time out and the OS name from DOS to Windows XP.
and what would you recommend instead?
Shit, I've just realised that in all the distros I've used I had to edit one or all of the above. Is there a distro you can use where you don't?
Some distros set up this stuff during the instalation and often have nice and pretty GUIs to do this but once you've installed it they seem to disappear so you have to edit the text files. I don't know I might not have had to edit them at all I just did it the way I was told to in the manual so please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Shit, I've just realised that in all the distros I've used I had to edit one or all of the above. Is there a distro you can use where you don't?
There are tools for setting up stuff like that from a GUI.
SuSE's Yast might be able to configure some or all of that stuff, I dunno. It's probably your best bet.
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can't remember exactly but I had to edit the following:
fstab to get it automount my NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
X86Config to set up the graphics properly.
grub.conf to set it up to boot Windows by default and to change the time out and the OS name from DOS to Windows XP.
SuSE's yast can do all of that. I had SuSE 9.1 but it got screwed up when i upgraded my hardware, and i couldnt find my disc, I am gonna burn some new discs and re-install it.
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I might give it a go then, I'm not bother about editing config files I wasn't complaining I was just saying it can put some newbs off. Yess I suppost I'm still a bit of a newb but I know the basics and I'm clever wnough to RTFM and sort out most problems for myself. Come to think of it it'd be a chalange to set up Linux and get it working how I want it to without using the keyboard apart from entering text infomation, i.e type my name and info but no cammands or configuration file editing. I wonder if there's a dirstro out there that can do it and from what you're saying SuSE might be the one.
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it'd be a chalange to set up Linux and get it working how I want it to without using the keyboard apart from entering text infomation, i.e type my name and info but no cammands or configuration file editing.
Least you get sane defaults.
I spend far less time getting a GNU/Linux system up and running than a Windows system. FAR.
Probably everyone who's confertable with both operating systems would say the same.
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The defaults vary frome distro to distro some may be more sane than others. I agree though, I probably only find Windows easier because I use it more often than Linux and I've grown up with it.
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The defaults vary frome distro to distro some may be more sane than others.
And they're all saner than every version of Windows, IMO (save the not-for-noobs distros that intentionally don't automatically setup a user a/c / etc.).
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I had to alter fstab to enable my Win/Lin fat32 swap partition and a CD rom.
Had to alter xorg.conf to enable my second monitor and some missing resolutions.
Had to add asound.conf and rerun alsaconf to setup sound properly.
now it just works.
I don't know why alsaconf didn't work the first time. The xorg.conf is understandable, but I would have thought it would have put the entries for the monitor and card in but not enable it. The additions to fstab should not have been needed, Windows automatically installs new CD drives and partitions, theres no reason why Linux can't do the same (the CD drive was the one i used to install linux!).
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I hate ubuntu, I wanted to try it, being a linux n00b, so I made the live CD's. After reading some FAQ's, I decided to skip the ripoff and get the real deal, in short, I decided to install debianppc on a dual boot with OSX tiger, only to find that I wasted the rest of my CD's on crappy Ubuntu that didn't work anyways.
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kintaro... does Debian give you Linux's full power?
I've been using Xandros and quite frankly, it's pissing me off cuz it's so damn crippled. Even with K3B I can't burn faster than 2x and I can't get DVD burning ability to go. Windows partitions are read-only. The "file manager" crashes too frequently.
Xandros was OK when I was transitioning over from windowsland, but now it's just too restrictive (I'm not paying $90 to "unlock" full ability).
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I had to alter fstab to enable my Win/Lin fat32 swap partition and a CD rom.
Had to alter xorg.conf to enable my second monitor and some missing resolutions.
Had to add asound.conf and rerun alsaconf to setup sound properly.
Odd, I've never, ever had any problems like that with Slackware, it all just works from the get-go. :p
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Debian is completly free, it is opensourced freeware. Just install X11 and have fun.
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[OFFTOPIC]Narf Man,
Why do you always write in blue?[/OFFTOPIC]
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kintaro... does Debian give you Linux's full power?
I've been using Xandros and quite frankly, it's pissing me off cuz it's so damn crippled. Even with K3B I can't burn faster than 2x and I can't get DVD burning ability to go. Windows partitions are read-only. The "file manager" crashes too frequently.
Xandros was OK when I was transitioning over from windowsland, but now it's just too restrictive (I'm not paying $90 to "unlock" full ability).
Yep, Debian is probably the pinacle of Linux distributions. Only one I know that comes in 14 CD's. It has everything.
But I reckon slackware based distributions, just simpler and lighter and easier to use. Any non commercial distributions will give you the full linux capabilities. If you just want it for a desktop a totally recommend Vector Linux 5.1 SOHO, or Slackware itself.
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I've decided to go with Debian, it seems pretty cool, and apt-get sounds useful, chatting on IRC even before you get Xwindows up. I'm going to install it next week, just because I've got a major project due monday, and I can't afford to lose it by accident.
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I hate ubuntu, I wanted to try it, being a linux n00b, so I made the live CD's. After reading some FAQ's, I decided to skip the ripoff and get the real deal, in short, I decided to install debianppc on a dual boot with OSX tiger, only to find that I wasted the rest of my CD's on crappy Ubuntu that didn't work anyways.
Ubuntu works fine on my G4... but why? You have OS X which you can get most, if not all of the linux stuff to work on - see fink.sf.net and darwinports.opendarwin.org. Including KDE and Gnome (I once had them on my powerbook g4...).
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Thanks, Pathos.
And as for the color of my text... three main reasons:
1) All forums I belong to I post in blue. (a habit, perhaps?)
2) It makes me stand out
3) Why not? I really like blue.
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Yeehah! No more Ubuntu? I say MORE Ubuntu! Breezy is sweet.
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Narf you attention whore you.
*joking*
Ubuntu was the first linux live cd I ever tried :-(.
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Attention whore?
Me?
...ok, well yeah.
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[OFFTOPIC]@ Attention Whore :D: Yes, see I have the amazing power to read the most obvious of answers unless when I need to.Wait, thats not a gift... thats a curse.Dammit.[/OFFTOPIC]
When running the livecd I would have to add my monitors resolution in to x11.conf for it to work properly, but of course I couldn't because it was read only.
Then again, it was a nice experience, knowing I don't have a win modem and all.
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My first live cd was damn small linux.
only took 3 hours to download on the 56k, cracking little OS that one. Just isn't powerful/stable enough for the general use.
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I loved Ubuntu, I recommend it to everyone.
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Did it ever crash for you? I bett its probably quite stable.
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Crashed once. I was trying to mount a partition that wasn't there and for some reason, it crashed...
But I still love it. I can forgive. ya know?