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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: DavidB on 26 October 2005, 00:06

Title: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: DavidB on 26 October 2005, 00:06
Just a few days ago, Seattle's corporate mouthpieces, the Seattle Times (which endorsed George W. Bush) and Seattle P-I, announced that Bill Gates was cutting the Seattle School District off from several million dollars in donations because the schools aren't performing to Bill Gates' expectations. Real cute, after Bill Gates helped hamstring Seattle's schools.

If they were decent human beings, school administrators should have said, "Hooray! We DON'T WANT any more of Bill Gates' phony charity. We're going to try something novel - spend the far greater donations we get from taxpayers more wisely." But that's another story.

Today, Seattle's leading media whores revealed that Bill Gates Sr. is leading an effort to get three corporate stooges elected to the Seattle School Board. Why isn't exactly clear. The Seattle School Board is already composed of nothing but corporate stooges. Are these three individuals even more corrupt than the others? Or is this just a strategy for making the public think that politics isn't dead in Seattle, that candidates are fighting over seats when, in reality, the Seattle Chamber of Commerce has already decided who will be elected?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002581517_slate25m.html
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: noob on 26 October 2005, 01:30
they must have tryed superior software
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 October 2005, 01:57
Yes they probably had far too many Macs and Linux machines.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Narf Man on 26 October 2005, 07:05
Dude... the Times and PI are nothing but ragsheets. I used to do single copy at Sea-Tac international, and let me say most people don't even realize the PI and Times are virtually the same paper.

Anyway, anyone or anything ought to be wary of a gift from M$... there are always strings attached. Take this for instance:
I listen to a Dance station (http://www.c895worldwide.com/web/) out of seattle, which happens to be owned by the Seattle School district. ONE time I use "M$" in a post on their forum, and BAM! I get an ass-reaming by the admin. Sad.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: skyman8081 on 26 October 2005, 07:55
M-dollar-sign is pretty disrespectful, and extremely stupid as well.  As bad as MS is, there is no need to make yourself look like an ass.

Just like I would be an ass if i used the spelling De Beer$, even if they would be far more deserving of it.
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Post by: Narf Man on 26 October 2005, 08:15
Disrespectful? Nah... You can't really be disrespectful to a company. A person or a place or a beleif, yes. But a company? nah. I have yet to find a company that really deserves respect.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: piratePenguin on 26 October 2005, 18:12
What's wrong with disrespecting Microsoft?
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 October 2005, 21:12
This issue keeps rearing its ugly head time and time again on this forum. I think using M$ too often is silly but when it fits the context of your post it's a completely differant matter for example if you're talking about M$ being greedy, same principle with their products for e.g. company loose 1 million after a Winblow$ virus blows away all their work.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Jenda on 26 October 2005, 23:08
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What's wrong with disrespecting Microsoft?

Yeah!!!
Title: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Narf Man on 27 October 2005, 07:40
Microsoft cheated me out of $200.
I bought XP pro, and used it. 6 months later I did a complete upgrade (new system down to even the case), and FDISKed my old HDD before giving it away. When I tried to install it, of course it wouldn't activate. So I called customer service and told them my upgrade story, and what became of the old components. They refused to give me a new key, caling they couldn't "verify" that Ihad removed XP from the old computer.
I asked to talk to a supervisor... Same result. So I had to go buy a new copy (this was 2 years ago, before I really discovered Linux).

For that incident, I beleive I have earned the right to call them M$, Money$oft or any other "disrespectful" name.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Orethrius on 27 October 2005, 09:33
No, you really haven't, since you didn't learn THE FIRST TIME to tell them that "your hard drive failed." (Once, twice, thrice...) ;)

Having said that, I find it quite incredible that all these "corporate faces" are so concerned with losing money because Microsoft says they have to pay for a hundred more copies of Windows eXPatriate Super Disgruntled Cubicle Cow Edition or face licence revocation. I can understand a few clients being concerned that they might not be able to play Far-Cry on their billion-dollar Cray systems (what a waste of such superior boxen), but do America's college students REALLY need cross-compatibility for the latest version of Duke Nukem Donkeypunches Osama Bin Laden? What happened to schoolwork with an occassional round of Solitaire? Last I checked, Linux supported Patience, Mahjongg, KSolitaire (to name a few that come to mind immediately) on that front. It even supports Unreal Tournament (let's lead with our best foot), StepMania (albeit with some doing on ATi systems), SNES9X, ZSNES, BoycottAdvance, FakeNES, Mupen64, MAME, and - since a veritable slew of fighters use an engine virtually identical to Mugen - with some amount of doing: Street Fighter, Capcom v. SNK, and even Eternal Fighter Zero. Who says you can't game on Linux? :cool:

But I stray from my point. What does it say about our state of affairs when our sales executives would rather be playing Half-Life 2 than preparing their lecture on WHY their products aren't selling, which - incidentally - is due to excessive office usage of Half-Life 2? What does it say about our educational systems when our sysadmins wholly endorse systems that can't be fully clamped down in such a manner as to bypass floppies on boot (unless the district is willing to shell out $2,000 per motherboard) in order to "preserve the ability of our charges to administer applications to their liking" and then wonder why no real work is getting done? I'm not suggesting that Linux is going to instantly re-order our nation, everyone knows that a complete reversal of entropy is a scientific improbability (Lesson: NEVER say science makes ANYTHING impossible. Bad logic. ;)). However, it can't hurt to make some effort to fight the effects of entropy, rather than embracing it wholeheartedly. Remember that it was THAT kind of thinking that got the Nazis into power (invoking Godwin's Law here, I know), and THAT kind of thinking that led to the Holocaust - don't ever let anybody tell you otherwise. Embracing the norm is a danger, nay a CANCER, that eats at the very fabric of our society every day. Shall we stand idly by and let another empire collapse from a mass unwilling to fight the future?

EDIT: Reflection: Perhaps if we're THAT apathetic, we deserve the coming insurrection.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Jenda on 27 October 2005, 13:15
Did you just say "corporate feces"?
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Reflection: Perhaps if we're THAT apathetic, we deserve the coming insurrection.

You always get what you deserve...
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Orethrius on 27 October 2005, 19:29
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Did you just say "corporate feces"?

:D Close enough. :D
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: WMD on 29 October 2005, 21:53
Quote from: Orethrius
really long post

Brilliance.  Orethrius strikes again.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 2 November 2005, 06:09
Quote from: piratePenguin
What's wrong with disrespecting Microsoft?

Absolutely nothing ... any company that disrespects me deserves my disrespect ... more companies than I care to count.

What's wrong with the $ sign anyway ? It's only symbolically connected to money ... not greed or corruption, which is far worse and very deserving of M$. The $ is what you make it.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: dmcfarland on 22 November 2005, 22:33
This might be a good opportunity for the Seattle school district to go from XP to Linux, and hopefully spare a generation of americans from having to use expensive, buggy, resource hungry bloated and doesnt maximizes the hard that its used to run. It would be a good way to tell BIll and microsoft to go :fu: themselves. I doubt their smart enough to do that. After all they are politicians.

I got my feet wet on TI tr80. BTW BG also gave money to the Democrats as well.


Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: dmcfarland on 22 November 2005, 22:48
It was a pain in the ass when I did system support. The company I was working for was too cheap to flip for a mass updater product that blasted updates to every pc in the network. The users were told not to open emails that contained the virus but despite that they did, and everything went to shit on the windows boxes. The linux boxes remained unaffected. FUCK M$:fu:

Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
This issue keeps rearing its ugly head time and time again on this forum. I think using M$ too often is silly but when it fits the context of your post it's a completely differant matter for example if you're talking about M$ being greedy, same principle with their products for e.g. company loose 1 million after a Winblow$ virus blows away all their work.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: Pathos on 23 November 2005, 08:05
No level of security can stop user stupidity.

Linux can isolate the virus so it cannot affect other users, but I'm sure windows can do that too.

I fail to see how linux could be better in that situation if a user can infect a PC apart from the fact no one bothers to write linux viruses.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: hm_murdock on 23 November 2005, 09:49
The newer incarnations of Windows can (Longhorn/Vista). I think XP after SP2 can as well.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: dmcfarland on 23 November 2005, 19:31
You cant shut down a process in windows to isolate a virus. You have to run a virus cleaner or have one that uses advanced hurestics. Most companies have virus scanners on their pc's but they dont ever update them.

Now you can shut down a process in linux and that what I like
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 23 November 2005, 21:58
I'm sure there's a reason why most hackers or virus producers don't write viruses for Linux ... actually many reasons :D ... I don't need to state them, you know what they are.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: piratePenguin on 23 November 2005, 22:17
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I'm sure there's a reason why most hackers or virus producers don't write viruses for Linux ... actually many reasons :D ... I don't need to state them, you know what they are.
There has been at least one trojan written that takes advantage of Sony's rootkit. How many people have Sony's rootkit on their systems? I doubt it's anywhere near the amount of GNU/Linux systems on the internet.
Title: Re: Gates Renews Attacks on Education
Post by: dmcfarland on 24 November 2005, 00:49
That was the straw that broke the camles back. I decided to switch to an all linux computer after I heard that.

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There has been at least one trojan written that takes advantage of Sony's rootkit. How many people have Sony's rootkit on their systems? I doubt it's anywhere near the amount of GNU/Linux systems on the internet.