Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: dmcfarland on 23 November 2005, 03:55
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And you thought the "how things work" article about microsoft was a pile of bullshit. Anyone got hipboots?
"Microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com/) today released the findings of an independent report (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/analyses/sirolecomparison.mspx) claiming that the Windows platform is "more consistent, predictable and easier to manage than Linux".
The study, commissioned by the software giant from Security Innovation (http://www.securityinnovation.com/), a provider of application security services, claimed that Linux administrators took 68 per cent longer to implement new business requirements than their Windows counterparts.
"As they attempt to increase business capabilities over time, customers are telling us that they are hitting a wall with Linux, experiencing significant reliability issues resulting in higher total cost of ownership," said Martin Taylor, general manager of platform strategy at Microsoft.
"This study shows that IT administrators are better able to maintain the system while delivering new capabilities predictably and consistently on the Windows platform.
"We invite other vendors, including Novell (http://www.novell.com/), IBM (http://www.ibm.com/) and Red Hat (http://www.redhat.com/), to repeat their own independent analysis based on Security Innovation's methodology."
Security Innovation said that its study of the manageability differences between Windows and Linux attempted to simulate a "real-world" enterprise e-commerce environment over the course of a year.
The study compared two teams of experienced IT administrators running Windows Server 2000 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/default.mspx) and Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux 8 (http://www.novell.com/products/linuxenterpriseserver8/), then monitored their progress as they upgraded to Windows Server 2003 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx) and Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux 9 (http://www.novell.com/products/linuxenterpriseserver/).
According to the study the Windows platform was "more reliable as enterprise needs change over time". The Novell SLES solution experienced 14 critical breakages, while the Windows Server system experienced none, the report claimed.
Security Innovation also claimed that the Novell SLES infrastructure required 4.79 times the number of patches.
"Our research indicates that the primary methods of computing reliability as indicators of real IT pain are overly simplistic," said Herbert H. Thompson, chief security strategist at Security Innovation.
"For example, kernel uptime is commonly cited as a metric of overall platform reliability. However, the reliability of a single component, even one so central as the operating system kernel, is rarely the largest source of pain.
"Security Innovation designed this study to be repeatable, and we believe that the results are consistent with what customers are experiencing in the real world."
A PDF of the Security Innovation report is available here (http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/c/9/2c93ed64-b1a1-4c87-9e3b-6920ee387cda/DB_Role_Security.pdf). "
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Security Innovation also claimed that the Novell SLES infrastructure required 4.79 times the number of patches.
Thats because Novell found and fixed the problems, while MS has (possibly) found the problems, but are to lazy to make the patches!
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As they attempt to increase business capabilities over time, customers are telling us that they are hitting a wall with Linux, experiencing significant reliability issues resulting in higher total cost of ownership," said Martin Taylor, general manager of platform strategy at Microsoft.
Wow, I never knew a kernel could be so hard to use.
Seriously though, it only takes four extra keystrokes to type GNU/Linux. Besides, people will think you're so much smarter.
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"As they attempt to increase business capabilities over time, customers are telling us that they are hitting a wall with Linux, experiencing significant reliability issues resulting in higher total cost of ownership," said Martin Taylor, general manager of platform strategy at Microsoft.
Question, why would Microsoft customers, be using linux? Doesnt_make_sense_to_me
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Kill :fu: Bill :mad: ... Gates that is :D
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We invite other vendors, including Novell, IBM and Red Hat, to repeat their own independent analysis based on Security Innovation's methodology.
No specifics about what that methodology might be - probably because it was designed specifically to show MS was better. But let me take a guess. They had 2 groups (and only 2 groups - what kind of study is that?) - one that had been using Windows-based products forever, and one that started using Novell SuSE like 18 months ago, since that's when Novell bought SuSE. The survey says nothing about security, usefulness, support of worldwide standards, or any of the other things Microsoft knows nothing about.
Now what would Red Hat gain by having halfwits with Vo-tech degrees use their products? Nothing. Which is why you won't see a test like this coming from anyone but Microsoft.
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I resemble that remark. I am a votech halfwit. I unlike my bretheren did a lot of studying on my own and I happen to learn a lot of things on the job.
BTW I've seen a lot dumbasses who had CS degrees but couldnt format a fucking hard drive using DOS , modify a cofig sys file to put a last drive statement in there (they told the user to reformat and reinstall windows,)or for that matter install Windows 98. A 5 year old can install windows 98.
No specifics about what that methodology might be - probably because it was designed specifically to show MS was better. But let me take a guess. They had 2 groups (and only 2 groups - what kind of study is that?) - one that had been using Windows-based products forever, and one that started using Novell SuSE like 18 months ago, since that's when Novell bought SuSE. The survey says nothing about security, usefulness, support of worldwide standards, or any of the other things Microsoft knows nothing about.
Now what would Red Hat gain by having halfwits with Vo-tech degrees use their products? Nothing. Which is why you won't see a test like this coming from anyone but Microsoft.
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A 5 year old can install windows 98.
... A demented monkey can install Window$ 98 :D
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True
... A demented monkey can install Window$ 98 :D
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True
but what happens when the installer gets a critical error, and it currupts the HD(has happend to me)
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Corrupts as in the hard disk being destroyed so it can be used or corrupt as in you have to fdisk, reformat and reinstall everything-has happened to me with windows more times than I care to rember.
Yet another reason why I switched to Linux.
but what happens when the installer gets a critical error, and it currupts the HD(has happend to me)
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Security Innovation also claimed that the Novell SLES infrastructure required 4.79 times the number of patches.
And 80% Less downtime from not having to reboot installing them.
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... A demented monkey can install Window$ 98 :D
Windows 98 is harder to install than 2000/XP.
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Windows 98 is harder to install than 2000/XP.
not really ... why would it be ?
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Windows 98 setup boots to a command line, and says "run FDISK lol". You have to start that yourself and partition, then close that and run the setup program. Not to mention in 1998 a lot of computers still couldn't boot from CDs, so you had to make a boot disk along with that.
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Well ... then install Linux instead.
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Windows 98 setup boots to a command line, and says "run FDISK lol". You have to start that yourself and partition, then close that and run the setup program. Not to mention in 1998 a lot of computers still couldn't boot from CDs, so you had to make a boot disk along with that.
So it must be completely different to Windows 98 SE.
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No, what I described is 98 SE. No version of 98 has a self-running, GUI partitioner...just fdisk. The rest of the setup is GUI, once you start it.
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why the heck would you need "a self-running, GUI partitioner" packed up with
M$'s Win98 ??
you have partition magic
for that !!
for server i will have to go with unix based system
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Not everybody has Partition Magic, and nobody who doesn't know what they're doing (or even what a partition is) even gives a shit enough to pay $25 for software that does that.
Besides, to them, if Windows fucks up, "the computer broke" and it's time to get a new one. Do you know how many old PCs I have sitting in my closet that I took from friends who I couldn't convince to just install a new OS?
Of course you don't.
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I'm typing this on a Celeron 633 that was given away because the owner thought it was "broken" and nothing I could say would convince him otherwise. He visted my place a while back and saw me using it and was like WTF?!?! I'm running XP Pro SP2 and FC3 on it.
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ROFLMFAO
Not everybody has Partition Magic, and nobody who doesn't know what they're doing (or even what a partition is) even gives a shit enough to pay $25 for software that does that.
Besides, to them, if Windows fucks up, "the computer broke" and it's time to get a new one. Do you know how many old PCs I have sitting in my closet that I took from friends who I couldn't convince to just install a new OS?
Of course you don't.
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I'm typing this on a Celeron 633 that was given away because the owner thought it was "broken" and nothing I could say would convince him otherwise. He visted my place a while back and saw me using it and was like WTF?!?! I'm running XP Pro SP2 and FC3 on it.
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lol
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Back on topic, the guy who wrote the article and performed the study showed up on Slashdot to defend himself and field questions.
http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/28/1245256&tid=109&tid=11&tid=106
The story of the process of producing such a study is very interesting. First, the company asks the researchers to do a study that measures something (in this case, Microsoft wanting a measurement of reliability). The study is done, and then released to the company who paid for it. IFFFF the company likes it, then it gets released. If not, you'll never hear about it.
So of course, all the studies and articles you read are going to be pro-Microsoft. Because Microsoft is paying for them. If somebody was shelling out big bucks to pay for Linux research, you'd have some pro-Linux stories out there.
I guess it needs to be re-iterated that you have to think for yourself. You know what works and what doesn't, you have the experience. Just remember to think.
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Not everybody has Partition Magic, and nobody who doesn't know what they're doing (or even what a partition is) even gives a shit enough to pay $25 for software that does that.
Besides, to them, if Windows fucks up, "the computer broke" and it's time to get a new one. Do you know how many old PCs I have sitting in my closet that I took from friends who I couldn't convince to just install a new OS?
Of course you don't.
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I'm typing this on a Celeron 633 that was given away because the owner thought it was "broken" and nothing I could say would convince him otherwise. He visted my place a while back and saw me using it and was like WTF?!?! I'm running XP Pro SP2 and FC3 on it.
I have roughly 7 computers that work fine I got under the same circumstances. Its great, I love Microsoft, without them I would be short on hardware.
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... A demented monkey can install Window$ 98 :D
This is still a few levels ahead in evolution compared to your average suburban human.
People are so retarded in the suburbs I truely wish I had a gun.
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Ill pray for you Kin.
This is still a few levels ahead in evolution compared to your average suburban human.
People are so retarded in the suburbs I truely wish I had a gun.
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Please don't I have enough bad karma as it is without you effecting the collective of God enough for him to think I am on your level. I am over fifty thousand times more intelligent than you, it gives me a headache trying to think down to your level.
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Ahhhh ... but I am the smartest of all. No one, not even Kintaro, can ever think of becoming even half as smart as I am. :thumbup:
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Pride commeth before the fall.Dont pat yourself too hard on the back or you'll break your arm. BTW I dealt with smarter and better.
Please don't I have enough bad karma as it is without you effecting the collective of God enough for him to think I am on your level. I am over fifty thousand times more intelligent than you, it gives me a headache trying to think down to your level.
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Let me start by stating in my opinion MS Windows (all versions) is just a virus.
You know I can't understand where these people who compile the "independant report" get their data from, I have been using GNU/Linux, Irix, OS X and other ?nix OS for years and have found that the reliability of NON Windows OS's to be so much higher than Windows the comparisons are a joke. Anyone who is serious about real computing does NOT use windows, no exceptions, I have seen sp many times where lots (5 or more) of Windows "servers" being replaced by a single (sometimes older) GNU/Linux of FreeBSD box and doing a way better job, without being rebooted for months (sometimes over a year). I have yet to see a GNU/Linux system replaced by Windows system.
When will people wake up to MS's so called "independant" reports.
Actually when will people wake up and stop perpetuating the Windows virus!
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Let me start by stating in my opinion MS Windows (all versions) is just a virus.
You know I can't understand where these people who compile the "independant report" get their data from, I have been using GNU/Linux, Irix, OS X and other ?nix OS for years and have found that the reliability of NON Windows OS's to be so much higher than Windows the comparisons are a joke. Anyone who is serious about real computing does NOT use windows, no exceptions, I have seen sp many times where lots (5 or more) of Windows "servers" being replaced by a single (sometimes older) GNU/Linux of FreeBSD box and doing a way better job, without being rebooted for months (sometimes over a year). I have yet to see a GNU/Linux system replaced by Windows system.
When will people wake up to MS's so called "independant" reports.
Actually when will people wake up and stop perpetuating the Windows virus!
I agree completely !!! Window$ is a fucking virus ... and Bill Gates is a parasite, a blood-sucking intestinal worm ... or no wait, he sucks money not blood :D ... or both ?
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Windows isnt a virus. Its a yugo fully loaded with options. I like having alternatives to things. I love linux, and I would to see more OS's on the market. I love competition. I learned on Netware, I've experienced NT, and Ive gotten a taste of Linux.
Bill Gate$ isnt a parasite. Bill is an angry geek who's getting back at the world for beating him up and taking his lunch. Bill=Meglomaniac.:thumbup:
Let me start by stating in my opinion MS Windows (all versions) is just a virus.
You know I can't understand where these people who compile the "independant report" get their data from, I have been using GNU/Linux, Irix, OS X and other ?nix OS for years and have found that the reliability of NON Windows OS's to be so much higher than Windows the comparisons are a joke. Anyone who is serious about real computing does NOT use windows, no exceptions, I have seen sp many times where lots (5 or more) of Windows "servers" being replaced by a single (sometimes older) GNU/Linux of FreeBSD box and doing a way better job, without being rebooted for months (sometimes over a year). I have yet to see a GNU/Linux system replaced by Windows system.
When will people wake up to MS's so called "independant" reports.
Actually when will people wake up and stop perpetuating the Windows virus!
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I think your analysis of Bill Gates quite clearly shows a lot more about your personality than his.
Bill Gates is awesome. He does more than anyone else here does for the world, so stfu.
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I think your analysis of Bill Gates quite clearly shows a lot more about your personality than his.
Bill Gates is awesome. He does more than anyone else here does for the world, so stfu.
I think your arrogance is ill-fitting for a pariah of your stature.
Also, what does it matter what he does for the world, when he does it with ill intent in his heart?
A murderer that backs the Red Cross is still a murderer.
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I think your arrogance is ill-fitting for a pariah of your stature.
Also, what does it matter what he does for the world, when he does it with ill intent in his heart?
A murderer that backs the Red Cross is still a murderer.
Troll troll troll yet boat gently down the stream.
Actually, all I was really saying is he does a lot more than most businessmen and sets an example.
All rich people suck, not just Bill Gates.
Yes Steve Jobs and all the others suck as well.
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If you were rich you'd suck too ... I know I would ... give me power and I will become just as evil as they are. Once, long ago, maybe I would have done good things with power, but I've realized how much most people suck and don't deserve jack shit, so I'll give 'em what they deserve.
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If you were rich you'd suck too ... I know I would ... give me power and I will become just as evil as they are. Once, long ago, maybe I would have done good things with power, but I've realized how much most people suck and don't deserve jack shit, so I'll give 'em what they deserve.
No shit.
So why not give the others what they deserve.
In fact, Linus Torvalds could be considered rich because he is still better off than most people. Obviously Linus Torvalds in your view is a complete cunt and should be arrested by the pinko police.
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No shit.
So why not give the others what they deserve.
In fact, Linus Torvalds could be considered rich because he is still better off than most people. Obviously Linus Torvalds in your view is a complete cunt and should be arrested by the pinko police.
Linus Torvalds is rich ? how rich ? I mean if Linux is free, how can he be rich ?
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Compared to my $30,000/year ass, Linus is rich. He has a fucking job, you know, probably makes at least $50k from that. He gets hired to do enterprise consulting all the time, that's major bank. And people actually get paid for speaking engagements - Linus will come to your school and talk about Linux - for a price. Oh yes, Linus has money, I'm sure of it.
And that's one of my points about free software - it doesn't mean there will be a bunch of broke programmers out there. Linus wrote Linux in his spare time, and continues to direct its future, in his spare time. So why not give it away? He didn't make it for money, he made it because it was useful.
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Well ... I wasn't talking about the Linus kind of rich ... I was talking about the Bill Gates kind of rich ... filthy fucking rich, not just rich :) When you got that much money it will go to your head eventually, not like Gates has too much in his head.