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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: worker201 on 23 November 2005, 20:49
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According to an AP News story today, Microsoft has begun the process of standardizing the Office XML format.
read all about it (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051123/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_office_standards)
My analysis: too little too late. Microsoft has shown everyone what they tend to do with standards. This is a symbolic move, no more, designed to undermine the Open Document format. Presumably, if Microsoft will have a corner on the market in some unforeseen future, then it must be extremely popular now.
Now, of course, they have a right to do this. And actually, they should have done it a long time ago, the day after they bought out WordPerfect. But who the fuck do they think they are kidding? Releasing the format doesn't open up the object linking of Word itself, so other programs can be optimized for compatibility. And they will never open any source. All they're doing is sharing some XML. Which is just markup, anyone who would try to hide XML is a dick. So don't start thinking that Microsoft is all about standards. They were not, are not, and never will be.
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And what's even worse is that Apple Computer is backing the standardization.
Why is Apple such a bunch of pussies? They could play and they could win, but they're too afraid to offend the guy who stole all their ideas. It makes me sad.
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Agreed. I don't want to rewrite all I posted on Void's forum...
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I agree too, Apple should rename themselves ... Pussy ! :D
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who the fuck do they think they are kidding?
Probably about half a billion people?
That's about the population of Windows users i.e. retards.
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Probably about half a billion people?
That's about the population of Windows users i.e. retards.
... that is a gross underestimate :) ... (http://www.c-i-a.com/pr1296.htm)
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... that is a gross underestimate :)
So how many Windows users would there be? I read half a billion somewhere before, can't remember where.
IE has a 95.5 percent market share ...
But how many people browse the web then?
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IE has a 95.5 percent market share ... that's 1,237,830,102 people (1.2 billion) Worldwide assuming 0.02 computers per capita (200 per 1000 ppl ... a valid assumption) and assuming that IE proliforation is approximate to M$ proliferation ... not a bad estimate
ok another estimate based on internet usage 696,386,000 people worldwide ... but more people use a computer than the internet ... so maybe somewhere in-between the 2 values ... like around 0.8 - 1 billion people
Sources for statistical analysis: Global internet statistics (http://global-reach.biz/globstats/index.php3), World POPClock (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html) , Computer Industry Almanac
(http://www.c-i-a.com/pr1296.htm)
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Ok, scrap that ... here is the best estimate 1,101,734,321 people Worldwide use M$ ... based on 85 % M$ market share (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-243527.html?legacy=cnet) and 0.2 computers per capita (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-243527.html?legacy=cnet) (200 computers per 1000 ppl) and 6,480,790,124 world population (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html)
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Ok, scrap that ... here is the best estimate 1,101,734,321 people Worldwide use M$ ... based on 85 % M$ market share (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-243527.html?legacy=cnet) and 0.2 computers per capita (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-243527.html?legacy=cnet) (200 computers per 1000 ppl) and 6,480,790,124 world population (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html)
You're assuming one person is one computer, though. Until I got a laptop and parts to slap together an SSH box, my family's ratio was 4:1. A better number would probably be about half a billion.
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That proves that most people are stupid.
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That proves that most people are stupid.
Thanks, I must be stupid then. :rolleyes:
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You're assuming one person is one computer, though. Until I got a laptop and parts to slap together an SSH box, my family's ratio was 4:1. A better number would probably be about half a billion.
Well ... somewhere in between those 2 estimates ... and no you are not stupid if you use Window$ ... you are stupid if you like using Window$ :D
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Heh, okay well that doesn't apply to me, I only use it to play games, that does not mean I like Windows ;)
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you are not stupid if you use Window$ ... you are stupid if you like using Window$ :D
Well, the point of this post of mine (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106417&postcount=5) was that hundreds of millions of people, likely all Windows users, are going to eat Microsoft's shit like this, like they do all the time. Not all Windows users will always eat their shit though, and they are not necessarily retards IMO.
Alot of Windows users, like MarathoN here, and Aloone_Jonez (AFAIK, but I could be wrong here. See the "OS(es) of choice" part of his profile (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/member.php?u=3383).), don't use Windows because they prefer it as an operating system to all the other operating systems out there. They use it because all the games they play or the applications they use for work can't be designed for every single operating system in the world, which limits their choice, and usually limits it right the way down to Windows and maybe Mac OS X.
I'd usually say those guys are weak, but it's actually not them being weak, it's them not being strong. But it depends on the situation (sometimes they are weak).
I don't think you're stupid if you like using Windows. If you like using Windows, and, all things considered, you really believe it's the best operating system out there, and you don't mind supporting it and then it's developers, then that's a very rare really good reason to use Windows, and I salute you for it.
I only think you're retarded if you eat shit.
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And just incase anyone else brings it up: I try hard to avoid using non-free software on my computer, and otherwise-supporting non-free software and their developers. That severely limits my choice of operating system, web-browser, etc., and it means that I won't always base my choice of software on "does a better job" or anything like that. I'll put licence before basically everything else, when I can.
So, even if Opera really, undoubtably, beats the living shit out of Mozilla, I'll try hard not to use or otherwise-support Opera so long as it isn't free. I don't think that makes me weak. Infact, quite the opposite. But I'd say that anyhow.
I don't do this because I'm holding out for Utopia. I do it because I like the smell of the air in Utopia.
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The reason why I got rid of Slackware is because I just wasn't using it enough, and I need that extra space for data.
I've already tried Windows XP on this machine, and it's a pile of shit IMO, whereas with Windows 2000 it runs fine without me having to waste my fucking time making it "steel-walled" :rolleyes:
I'm not trying to justify my reasons for using Windows, but I try my best to use all the free software I can on Windows (and by free I mean open source). :)
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I only think you're retarded if you eat shit.
Using M$ products often involves eating a bit of shit here and there ... or a lot of it in some cases (Vista, XBOX 360)
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I didnt say you were stupid.You reffered to yourself as being stupid. :p
Thanks, I must be stupid then. :rolleyes:
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Well, you were making an assumption that most people who use Windows are stupid, and I fit into that category who use Windows? :rolleyes:
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Well, you were making an assumption that most people who use Windows are stupid, and I fit into that category who use Windows? :rolleyes:
Actually, given your response to something he never said, I'd say you fit more into the reactionary 5% (roughly 50,000,000) of the some half-billion users of Windows, the approximations being: 90% stupid, 5% reactionary, and 5% intelligent (about 95% (4.5% of total) of which are using, have used, or are considering "alternative" Operating Systems), not counting overlap.
:D
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It's still bull****. So they make a "standard." It's still patent encumbered and they won't licence it to open source.
One of MS' employees had a "blog" (http://blogs.zdnet.com/carroll/index.php?p=1518) about how everyone is so stupid about being suspicious of this move. It was a pretty derogatory piece of MS propaganda. I called him on it, and brought up how MS tried to force their "sender ID" crap into the email standard, but would hold patents on it to keep Open Source from using it. I told him that this would be no different. His reponse was quite honest
http://www.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=15355&messageID=306253&start=0
Open source has designed their license to make patent trading impossible. Sorry, the company with the biggest target on their shirt can be expected to want to effect patent trades.
But as I explained in a previous blog post, there is NO REASON for open source to demand automatic sublicensing. Lacking justification, it's like me demanding people who use my software wear heels and a top hat.
I've read arguments from those who try to defend the policy. Sorry, I'm not convinced and found the arguments lacking in substance, which may explain why few legal luminaries in the open source world bother to say anything more about the policy than "open source requires it."
So the MS standard means very little in the way of openness. You get to use it only under their conditions.
It's the same BS.
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Umm, actually the only article about that which says Apple are backing it is the Yahoo one. I don't 100% trust Yahoo for reliable news...
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Umm, actually the only article about that which says Apple are backing it is the Yahoo one. I don't 100% trust Yahoo for reliable news...
I don't 100% trust anybody for reliable news. But Yahoo! doesn't write news stories - they get them straight off the wire from AP and Reuter's. So if you can trust a newspaper, or much of CNN, you can trust Yahoo!. Even the AP has a little bias, but it's probably one of the best news sources in the US.
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what are they trying to gain by standardizing the Office XML format? I don't get it...:nothappy:
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It's called PR - public relations. Dumbfucks who have no idea what XML even stands for see the newspaper headlines, and see that Microsoft is playing nice finally, and they gain more respect for Microsoft as a company. This theoretically makes them continue to purchase MS products. MS has lost a staggering amount of respect lately, and they will do anything they can to get it back.