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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: dmcfarland on 24 November 2005, 03:06
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I have one gripe about Linux. It doesnt do well with games. I cant play SFC3 on my linux box. I could install WINE, but thats a mystery to me. It would be nice to see someone reverse engineer windows games and port them to linux. I dont know how hard that would be. Thats the only gripe I have.
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Do install wine ... it supports 727 games and counting (http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php) ...
Edit: ... actually don't install wine ... it blows
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I have one gripe about Linux. It doesnt do well with games. I cant play SFC3 on my linux box. I could install WINE, but thats a mystery to me. It would be nice to see someone reverse engineer windows games and port them to linux. I dont know how hard that would be. Thats the only gripe I have.
In the case of closed source games, you cannot port them. The developers have to do that themselves.
Most of the time, games aren't ported because it's either completely written in Direct3D (Half-Life 2) or the developer doesn't want to spend money on porting (Call of Duty 2).
Games like Unreal Tournament 2004 and Quake 4 have been ported to Linux, and I hope that will encourage other game developers to do the same.
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Thats a real bummer. It looks like Im not able to play SFC3 on linux. One day.:nothappy:
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What is SFC3 anyway ?
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StarFleet command III
What is SFC3 anyway ?
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Hmmm ... never heard of it ... and I take back what I said about wine ... wine kinda blows goats right now ... even if you get something running on it, the program's stability is shit.
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I can live without it. I could always make a small 10g windows partition to play it on. I havent gotten around to it, and I dont feel like scrapping everything so I can do it or go through a bunch of hoops. I got my linux installation working the way I want it too. I dont even want to update the kernel. I fucked my install up the last time I did it.
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Wine is not really that hard to deal with anymore. It has a GUI control panel so you don't have to edit wine.conf.
But don't expect miracles from it. It's hard to reverse engineer undocumented API's.
I've gotten it to run some games, but not my favorites.
I tried to get Starsiege working on Linux. I actually got it running but the mouse control was backwards.
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I dont even want to update the kernel. I fucked my install up the last time I did it.
Sounds like a user problem to me.
Just a reminder to everyone that Linux is not the system you install because you want to play games. You can play games on a Windows computer. You install Linux because you want to learn about computers, and/or have an intoxicating amount of control, and/or run a particular open source program, and/or support the OSS/FSF/GNU thing, and/or whatever other reasons you can come up with. Please remember that you must make sacrifices to not use the most popular operating system. If you're not willing to make those sacrifices, you're not ready to install Linux.
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For one I dont see the benefits or updating my kernel everytime a new one come out. I can see updating a kernel when there is a major revision.
I didnt install windows to play games, thats just a side benifit. Your attitude about linux is one of the reasons why it wont be an alternative to users who are currently using windows, and wont ever get popularity among regular people. I dont sucribe to your belief.
Linux had poor printer support 6 years ago, and now its much better. I predict gaming developers will come around eventually and so will others. People with your opinion however will make linux a non-alternative to windows, and that will allow M$ to keep its monopolistic strangle hold on the computer industry.
Sounds like a user problem to me.
Just a reminder to everyone that Linux is not the system you install because you want to play games. You can play games on a Windows computer. You install Linux because you want to learn about computers, and/or have an intoxicating amount of control, and/or run a particular open source program, and/or support the OSS/FSF/GNU thing, and/or whatever other reasons you can come up with. Please remember that you must make sacrifices to not use the most popular operating system. If you're not willing to make those sacrifices, you're not ready to install Linux.
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Fucking things up is how you learn. For instance, say you're trying to do something, I'm using Debian for an example because that's what I use, you're trying to add an APT repository. So you go and do nano sources.list and you screw it up. Big deal, that's fixable. But you can always reinstall, just don't do it again.
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Im working on getting another pc so I can use one as a test bed. I can used that one to learn off of, while I have one for my normal stuff.
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wine 0.9 is easy.
just:
./tools/wineinstall
then copy in the fonts
Every program I've tried works quite well with one or two quirks
Stick Soldiers 2 -need -ogl and -32 parameters
Soldat - ingame fonts are screwy, but loads up faster than in windows
Notepad2 - a menu bar doesn't work (just turn it off)
Desktop architect - crashes now and again
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Fucking things up is how you learn. For instance, say you're trying to do something, I'm using Debian for an example because that's what I use, you're trying to add an APT repository. So you go and do nano sources.list and you screw it up. Big deal, that's fixable. But you can always reinstall, just don't do it again.
I completely agree ... I've learned pretty much everything I know (about computers and many other things) by messing with stuff until I fuck it up ... and then trying to fix it ... and usually succeeding :D ... if not then reinstall :( ... but you learn a great deal in the process (I've never read a single manual ... ever ... I tried, but they're soooo fucking boring)
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For one I dont see the benefits or updating my kernel everytime a new one come out. I can see updating a kernel when there is a major revision.
You don't have to compile the kernel yourself. The advantages of doing that are close to nil, and the chances of fucking up unless you RTFM (after RTFM, though, it's pretty simple) are quite high. Just use binary releases of the kernel from your distribution.
Your attitude about linux is one of the reasons why it wont be an alternative to users who are currently using windows, and wont ever get popularity among regular people. I dont sucribe to your belief.
From what I can see worker201 was just stating a few fairly obvious truths.
Some game developers build their games for GNU/Linux and some don't. These SFC3 developers obviously don't. Whose fault is that?
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i normally keep my kernel up to date by *.*.*, i do *.*.*.* when im bored though
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Unfortunately , my linux box died in the middle of the Vector installer. I liked Debian, but I couldn't get any GUI out of it. I was putting on Vector as a dual boot, and it died on me. The screen just went blank, I suspect something in the IDE chain for the cdrom, becuase the main drive jammed, I tried another but that prevented it from booting.
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It obviously the developers. I am going to install a small windows partition so I can that game. I am not in a hurry to putz with my partitions right now.
You don't have to compile the kernel yourself. The advantages of doing that are close to nil, and the chances of fucking up unless you RTFM (after RTFM, though, it's pretty simple) are quite high. Just use binary releases of the kernel from your distribution.
From what I can see worker201 was just stating a few fairly obvious truths.
Some game developers build their games for GNU/Linux and some don't. These SFC3 developers obviously don't. Whose fault is that?
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I Uze Windows Xp/////
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I Uze Windows Xp/////
Good for you. WindowsBBS (http://www.windowsbbs.com) is waiting to hear from you.
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Then why and the hell are you registered with microsuck.com? BTW I feel so sorry for you.
I could see having a windows partition for games IMHO, but running XP all the way.....Oh yeah :fu: Microsoft.
I Uze Windows Xp/////
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Hahaha If Linux Is So Good Y Do They Give It Away?//// U Have To By Windows
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I say ban, or a least tempban, for JARULES. He/She/It oviosly isn't going to contribute anything and will just continue sodomising grammar.
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I say ban, or a least tempban, for JARULES. He/She/It oviosly isn't going to contribute anything and will just continue sodomising grammar.
I agree, but this does not belong in this thread and belongs in a private message to our very productive, thoughtful, compassionate, caring Admin Refalm.
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I Say PERMABAN!!
JARULES is just a spammer who tends to follow me around for some reason, i think he googles for my name or somthing.
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I Say PERMABAN!!
JARULES is just a spammer who tends to follow me around for some reason, i think he googles for my name or somthing.
Well, probably MSN search actually.
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Hahaha If Linux Is So Good Y Do They Give It Away?//// U Have To By Windows
Some things are better when they're free.
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Some things are better when they're free.
Are you referring to the ban? :D
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Hahaha If Linux Is So Good Y Do They Give It Away?
GNU/Linux is good because it's free (as in freedom) software (and is also "given away") (For non-retards: some might disagree with that, but I can't see GNU or Linux (which, remember, was begun by a (AFAIK not-rich (and thus probably couldn't have employed developers to work on Linux)) Finnish university student.) coming as far as they've come if they weren't free software.).
I'm pretty sure you haven't used GNU/Linux. You might be surprised how excellent it is if you tried it.
It's so common of retards to use "If X is so good then why is it free (as in price)?" as an argument against alot of free software. I've seen it used for the GIMP, and GNU/Linux itself. Fucking retards...
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Either way you can't force people to pay for free software unless it isn't completely free, for example some open source games where the program itself is free but the art and sound are copyrighted.
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Either way you can't force people to pay for free software unless it isn't completely free
Correct, you can't "force" them to. But you can ask them to.
the program itself is free but the art and sound are copyrighted.
"Free" doesn't mean public domain. Either you're really really stupid or that's a mistake (I believe it's the latter).
EDIT: And what has this (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106943&postcount=31) got to do with what I was saying or what we were discussing?
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Correct, you can't "force" them to. But you can ask them to.
And they can always say no.
"Free" doesn't mean public domain. Either you're really really stupid or that's a mistake (I believe it's the latter).
No mistake and no stupidity either, the GPL states that the source should be available to everyone. I know you could just sell people CDs with the binary + source but you couldn't stop them from releasing the sourceto the publiuc domain (i.e. putting it on their website) unless you're advocating semi-copyrighted material or shared source (like some agreements between governments and MS or open source games with copyrighted art and sound or Linux distros containing a proprietary element) all of which aren't completely free.
EDIT: And what has this (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106943&postcount=31) got to do with what I was saying or what we were discussing?
Are you taking the piss?
Read the post you were origionally replying to.
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And they can always say no.
And I thought if you asked someone to do something they had to do it.
(I was being sarcastic there, just incase you didn't realise.)
I'm not fucking retarded, sheezus!
No mistake and no stupidity either, the GPL states that the source should be available to everyone. I know you could just sell people CDs with the binary + source but you couldn't stop them from releasing the sourceto the publiuc domain (i.e. putting it on their website) unless you're advocating semi-copyrighted material or shared source (like some agreements between governments and MS or open source games with copyrighted art and sound or Linux distros containing a proprietary element) all of which aren't completely free.
Okay so it wasn't a mistake, just plain stupidy, as you shall see:
the program itself is free but the art and sound are copyrighted.
Most likely it'd all be copyright, not only the artwork. The program would be protected by copyright too, in most cases. According to you it isn't.
An intelligent being would've written more along these lines:
The sofware is free (as in freedom), but the artwork has a stricter license preventing redistribution/whatever.
Are you taking the piss?
No.
Read the post you were origionally replying to.
JARULES? Err, I don't think you were commenting on his post. So just answer my question, simply.
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The sofware is free (as in freedom), but the artwork has a stricter license preventing redistribution/whatever.
Yes that's what I meant.
*sigh* all this shit over words. :rolleyes:
No.
JARULES? Err, I don't think you were commenting on his post. So just answer my question, simply.
You.
Alright, I suppose you're simple so I'll simply paraphrase the last few posts:
Jarrules was reffering to the price of Linux and you explained that it's about open source and fredom rather than cost (which it is). I explained that unless you place at least part of the software or data associated with it under a more restrictive license people don't have to pay you to use your software if they don't want to.
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Yes that's what I meant.
Well it's not what you said, and it's not what I read.
*sigh* all this shit over words. :rolleyes:
WTF, this is an internet forum. What we read from other members is all we have to base our opinions of them on, and to comment on.
Alright, I suppose you don't possess the ability to read minds over the internet
Fixed!
Jarrules was reffering to the price of Linux and you explained that it's about open source and fredom rather than cost (which it is). I explained that unless you place at least part of the software or data associated with it under a more restrictive license people don't have to pay you to use your software if they don't want to.
At least that makes sense!
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And you have all been completely fucking trolled you pair of idiots.
What part of ignore the trolls baffles your mind you fucking tools?
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And you have all been completely fucking trolled you pair of idiots.
What part of ignore the trolls baffles your mind you fucking tools?
Probably the part where people build a constructive conversation from a useless one.
Given the leeway you've seen with the rules, I'd sit down and shut up.
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Probably the part where people build a constructive conversation from a useless one.
Given the leeway you've seen with the rules, I'd sit down and shut up.
So we are going to reply to trolls, feed them, let them post more so the forum goes to shit and do nothing about it. All for the good of creating a constructive conversation we have seen in 52345263456324556235 threads in this section of the forum. Always involving the same two bickering people with different beliefs, and always the exact same arguements. Always going knowhere at all. It is not constructive, it is troll food.
I have more reputation on this forum than anybody else, that means something doesn't it?
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And you have all been completely fucking trolled you pair of idiots.
What part of ignore the trolls baffles your mind you fucking tools?
Even though you're a flaming bag of shit you do have a perfectly valid point, piratePenguin should've just ignored the troll and I should've also ignored his reponse to it.
What's wrong with you kintaro?
You used to be a good member, why have you started to go round and flame everone after you were unbanned?
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I have more reputation on this forum than anybody else, that means something doesn't it?
Yea, that people used to like you.
EDIT: and also that I can't give you negative rep 'cause I have to "spread aorund some more rep" first.
Kintaro PMed me about feeding the trolls:http://www.microsuck.com/forums/sho...40&postcount=30
WTF, why did you even bother to reply to that.
To which I replied:Retards often suggest that GNU/Linux is shit because you can get it without paying money to the developers/anyone. Retards are the most of the people in the world who gotta be educated. This guy just might never again suggest that GNU/Linux sucks just because you can get it without payment.
To which he replied:It's an obvious troll, just ignore them and they tend to go away for good.
To which I will not reply, because he quite obviously didn't take what I said in my post into account.
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Stupid troll...
Hahaha If Linux Is So Good Y Do They Give It Away?//// U Have To By Windows
^ note extra capitals ^^ can't spell why ^^^ too lazy to hold shift ^^^ can't spell buy
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Technically Open Source software is free as Linux is. Most companies that sell Linux dont charge people for the software they made. They charge the customer for technical support.
I dont think anything is completely free.