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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #15 on: 11 January 2006, 03:16 »
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OS X is a cool, simple OS, but that's not my kinda OS.
What exactly do you mean by this?  Do you mean that OSX's coolness is not cool enough for you?  Do you mean that simple is not something you look for in an OS?  Or what?

The concept, the power, and the look of OSX can whomp anything else I have seen hands down.  The combination of *nix power under the hood with a beautiful gui that you can use or not use, depending on your preferences, is futuristic and useful.  I think that OSX is perhaps the perfect operating system.  Grandmas can use it, hackers who love vi can use it, toolsmiths who like to script everything with perl can use it, graphic artists can use it, and filmmakers can use it too.  It's incredible in its versatility.

OSX's only problem, as far as I can see, is that it is under Apple's control.  This has never actually affected me in any way, but I can see how it could.  Apple can lock out certain protocols or take over certain protocols if they choose, and although it hasn't happened yet, it could.

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux too.  But I think OSX is the perfect medium between Linux and Windows, and I wish more people had the chance to realize that, because it would change the way a lot of people think about Windows.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #16 on: 11 January 2006, 04:12 »
Why would you go to great lengths to replace OS X with something that is less? By leaving it in place, all you have to do is install a package manager, like apt-get, and install UNIX software. Then you run it.

Guess what? Go to an OS X machine and login as ">console"... and it dumps you at a text console! This is NeXTSTEP we're talking about here. It's a serious UNIX, and isn't meant to be taken lightly. This is the real thing... this is UNIX, not a *nix clone.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #17 on: 11 January 2006, 18:41 »
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What exactly do you mean by this?  Do you mean that OSX's coolness is not cool enough for you?  Do you mean that simple is not something you look for in an OS?  Or what?
I definetly don't look for simple. And I only care about cool after ten minutes, when I wanna do something useful.

I don't think GNU/Linux is perfect for everyone, but I do think it's perfect for me. OS X has nothing on it. I can think of at least one quite significant thing that GNU/Linux has on OS X, and worker almost touched on it. Free gift* for whoever guesses it.

* may not recieve free gift.
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What great lengths? I imagine I'd have a perfectly setup Ubuntu in no more than 40 mins. I most likely wouldn't stay on Ubuntu, but still.

Setting up a perfect GNU/Linux system on a Mac, I imagine, would be just like doing so on a PC. I wouldn't stay with OS X, because I'd rather switch to GNU/Linux. I prefer using GNU/Linux to OS X, it's what I'm confortable with, and there's nothing wrong with it (otherwise it might be worth getting used to OS X).

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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #18 on: 11 January 2006, 22:34 »
I don't like guessing games.  Post the answer.  Knowledge is useless if nobody knows it.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #19 on: 11 January 2006, 22:39 »
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I don't like guessing games.  Post the answer.  Knowledge is useless if nobody knows it.
You can run a completely free (as in freedom), usable GNU/Linux system. Can't do that with OS X.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #20 on: 12 January 2006, 01:29 »
That is important to some people. To some people, different things are important. For some people, religion is important. For others, it's science.

This... is no different.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #21 on: 12 January 2006, 01:56 »
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Why would you go to great lengths to replace OS X with something that is less? By leaving it in place, all you have to do is install a package manager, like apt-get, and install UNIX software. Then you run it.

Guess what? Go to an OS X machine and login as ">console"... and it dumps you at a text console! This is NeXTSTEP we're talking about here. It's a serious UNIX, and isn't meant to be taken lightly. This is the real thing... this is UNIX, not a *nix clone.


I just tried to login as ">console"

did nothing
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #22 on: 12 January 2006, 02:14 »
Are you set to login by entering a name and pw? Or are you using the pictures? It just worked for me.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #23 on: 12 January 2006, 03:19 »
with the login screen set to username/password entry, '>console' places me right back at the login screen (no error, and the login prompt does not shake as if you entered info incorrectly)
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #24 on: 13 January 2006, 01:13 »
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That is important to some people. To some people, different things are important. For some people, religion is important. For others, it's science.

This... is no different.
I'd call it morality rather than religion, I'm definetly a science man and definetly NOT a religous man.

I find GNU/Linux quite-perfect. Mac OS X doesn't offer any really good advantages over it for me. Even if Mac OS X was free, which OS I use might-just come down to a flick of a coin. Mac OS X isn't free, so I think I'll stick with GNU/Linux. It's the obvious choice for someone who likes to use a computer like I do and gives the slightest of shits about whether the software they use is free or not (and alot of people here do (not alot, but a bit), I think.).
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #25 on: 13 January 2006, 02:40 »
I'm actually pretty impressed with the MacBook Pro. Intel won't put out 65nm chips for PC's until Q3 06...and AMD 07. I haven't used OSX, but would 2,000 be worth a badass lappy + OSX?

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80GB 7200RPM Maxtor (IIRC) HDD
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A nice small case with 350W PSU
256MB RAM (IIRC PC2600, but I'm not sure)

It's a nice PC, and it cost me 300 euro. The keyboard, mouse, monitor and speakers I already had. I got the motherboard and the CPU second hand, something that couldn't be done so easily with Macs.

If I went for a Mac, I'd be paying twice as much for a Mac mini. EDIT: no, I wouldn't. They didn't exist.

No thanks.

how does an athlonXP go into the NF4 mobo... NF4 only does 939 and 754
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #26 on: 13 January 2006, 02:54 »
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I'm actually pretty impressed with the MacBook Pro. Intel won't put out 65nm chips for PC's until Q3 06...and AMD 07. I haven't used OSX, but would 2,000 be worth a badass lappy + OSX?



how does an athlonXP go into the NF4 mobo... NF4 only does 939 and 754

i think he thought it was nforce 4 because of the built in GeForce 4 built in? nForce 2 is socket 462
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #27 on: 13 January 2006, 08:36 »
etement... consider this... $2000 for a dual-processing notebook, and the ability to boot between OS X, Windows for games, and Linux if you wish.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #28 on: 13 January 2006, 18:33 »
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i think he thought it was nforce 4 because of the built in GeForce 4 built in? nForce 2 is socket 462
Ah, that's right, nforce2.
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Re: intel Is Here
« Reply #29 on: 13 January 2006, 21:04 »
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etement... consider this... $2000 for a dual-processing notebook, and the ability to boot between OS X, Windows for games, and Linux if you wish.

The MacBook uses EFI in place of BIOS.  The only versions of Windows that support EFI are XP 64 (won't work) and Vista (not released).  Unless, of course, Apple has put the BIOS emulation for EFI in there.
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