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opera 9 is out
« on: 21 June 2006, 09:03 »
Aloone_Jonez would not be happy to learn that the Windows download is 4.6 MB.
That's fucking FOUR FLOPPY DISKS WTF??? :p

http://www.opera.com

I'm using it now - but until it's free it will never take Firefox's place on my machine.

The widgets are a feature I can't see myself wanting, but they look like crap on my system anyhow (they prob look better on windows):
http://piratepenguin.is-a-geek.com/~declan/crap/operawidgets.png

EDIT: selecting lines/paragraphs is going to be messy since double clicking text brings up that right-click menu  :o

Well, I'm keeping it, just for testing.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #1 on: 21 June 2006, 09:47 »
I've tried the beta and I liked it, I've been waiting for this of awhile, I'll download it when I get home.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #2 on: 21 June 2006, 09:54 »
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I'm using it now - but until it's free it will never take Firefox's place on my machine.


Opera is free, and has been since version 8.5.

They are still charging for Opera on non-mainstream platforms like Windows Mobile/PocketPC, cell phones, Nintendo DS*... but not Linux, FreeBSD, Mac, etc.

*not quite released yet, but date and price have been announced in Japan
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #3 on: 21 June 2006, 09:57 »
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Opera is free, and has been since version 8.5.

They are still charging for Opera on non-mainstream platforms like Windows Mobile, cell phones, Nintendo DS*...

*not quite released yet, but date and price have been announced in Japan
Hehe... I meant free as in freedom ;)
I was gonna specify that, but I thought you'd know me by now ;)

I'm gonna do a bit of a memory usage comparison between FF and Opera now... Even though I don't believe NUMBERS to be all that important (using extra memory for cache is generally good)
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #4 on: 21 June 2006, 10:28 »
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Hehe... I meant free as in freedom ;)
I was gonna specify that, but I thought you'd know me by now ;)

I'm gonna do a bit of a memory usage comparison between FF and Opera now... Even though I don't believe NUMBERS to be all that important (using extra memory for cache is generally good)
Er, jaysus.

I set them to the same homepage, started them. FF started faster, perhaps because Opera had to load the Qt libraries when GTK was already loaded for FF.

Opera was using something like 35 Mib virtual memory and FF was using just over 70 (I was shocked). so I opened 4 tabs - same pages in each browser and FF was using /less/ memory than Opera at this stage:
http://piratepenguin.is-a-geek.com/~declan/crap/operaVff/omgFFwins.png

And then.... I was just looking at the system monitor for about a minute and Opera's RAM usage went down, and then it went down again... WTF?
It dropped from 122 to 82  :scared:

So er - probably Opera is better with the numbers, just like I expected.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #5 on: 21 June 2006, 15:35 »
[SIZE=24]HOW GAY IS THAT ANIMATION!!![/size]
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #6 on: 21 June 2006, 15:48 »
wut...I can't edit my own post even when it's the last one???

edit...sure I can...for some reason I wasn't seeing it in Opera9...It's there now though...

anyway...

I just instsalled it for shits and giggles...

It automatically imports your bookmarks...which is a good start for me since firefoxe seemed a little buggy in that aspect and kept crashing when I tried...

Other than that, it's no faster, no slower...

It's just a different lay out. I will delve deeper into the depths of OPERA 9 to see what I can destroy...err find out.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #7 on: 21 June 2006, 19:10 »
http://www.opera.com/

... the new YMCA crew ?
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #8 on: 21 June 2006, 19:49 »
I find this interesting because I've found that Opera starts faster than Firefox on Windows but slower on Linux, however it renders faster than Firefox under Linux but I haven't noticed much difference under Windows. This was all my experiance with Opera 8.5x I'm about to test 9 now, I'll let you know what I think.

I don't consider the start up speed to be very important since you only start it once, I think the rendering speed is more critical.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #9 on: 21 June 2006, 20:36 »
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[size=24]HOW GAY IS THAT ANIMATION!!![/size]


Crap. My lame-o-meter exploded when I viewed that animation. I'll have to get a new one now. :D
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #10 on: 21 June 2006, 20:40 »
lol, you should all uninstall your crappy non-free flash players - all I see is an image.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #11 on: 22 June 2006, 17:42 »
i used to champion opera on this site, years ago when mozilla was still way below version 1.0, and that was because opera was better than mozilla back then, simple as that. the only problem was the banner adverts. Now, firefox has almost every feature opera has that you would want, when you have the prefbar installed anyway, and it is more useable, more stable and also it is Free. opera has basically stood still for years (mostly) while mozilla (firefox, bon echo, whatever it's called now) has really risen from its own ashes at least once since then.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #12 on: 22 June 2006, 18:16 »
I've just downloaded it. Seems to be better. Now I can load a YTMND without a damn quicktime box in the corner.
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #13 on: 23 June 2006, 02:08 »
oh man, ohman ohman ohman.
I can't believe what I just tried, worked.

I setup a new user account on my machine, "test", logged in, started Opera - it setup a wonderful fresh profile for me in /home/test/.opera. This included a cookies4.dat file, which would store any cookies for me.

In Firefox, cookies are stored in a cookies.txt file. This file has very strict permissions - nobody can view it except the owner. This is for a very good reason - if anyone else can read it, they can copy it and they'll know all your cookies.

And, well, if you're me, that means they'll be able to log into my microsuck forums account and well, make this post. I'm logged in as test now, I coppied the cookies4.dat file from /home/declan/.opera/cookies4.dat into /home/test/.opera and when I came to microsuck.com/forums I was already logged in - didn't need to enter a password!

Badbad Opera.

Are the permissions fucked up like this on Windows too?

EDIT: konq users are safe - I can't access /home/declan/.kde atall - smart people those KDE devs.

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« Last Edit: 23 June 2006, 17:03 by piratePenguin »
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Re: opera 9 is out
« Reply #14 on: 23 June 2006, 04:04 »
Interesting ... did you try this with FF too ? or just Konqueror ...
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