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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #15 on: 18 July 2006, 19:08 »
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I installed Xubuntu simply because I got pissed trying to compile GTK to compile the GIMP on FreeBSD. This is the first damn distro I've seen without GCC or any compiler for that matter.

and that's a good thing ?
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #16 on: 18 July 2006, 23:30 »
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I installed Xubuntu simply because I got pissed trying to compile GTK to compile the GIMP on FreeBSD. This is the first damn distro I've seen without GCC or any compiler for that matter.
The average user doesn't require those tools (I bet it's the first distro with as many big packages on a single CD too?). If you want them install the build-essential package.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #17 on: 19 July 2006, 01:38 »
But gcc is an all-essential tool in Linux ... without it, you can't compile anything (well anything C or C++) Don't tell me that they have binaries for everything, cuz they don't ... you're gonna end up having to compile some of it yourself.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #18 on: 19 July 2006, 01:48 »
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But gcc is an all-essential tool in Linux ... without it, you can't compile anything (well anything C or C++) Don't tell me that they have binaries for everything, cuz they don't ... you're gonna end up having to compile some of it yourself.
They don't have binaries for everything, they have binaries for what they believe to be enough.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #19 on: 19 July 2006, 01:57 »
I'd really like an all-binary distro, but only if they have binaries for everything. I don't like compiling things cuz I've found that if you manage to compile something, it still may not work :( ... binaries on the other hand have been tested to work, and I've never had a binary not work on my system (assuming the dependencies were resolved correctly). Besides you usually need a lot more libraries to complie things that to run a binary (kind of a waste of space).
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #20 on: 19 July 2006, 02:55 »
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The average user doesn't require those tools (I bet it's the first distro with as many big packages on a single CD too?). If you want them install the build-essential package.

I looked at the package manager and I saw that it claimed it was installed. It wasn't. Besides, I'm getting FreeBSD 6.1 and that should be the end of the problem.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #21 on: 19 July 2006, 03:19 »
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I looked at the package manager and I saw that it claimed it was installed. It wasn't. Besides, I'm getting FreeBSD 6.1 and that should be the end of the problem.
build-essential had a green box to the left of it? If so then that's a bug, and you should probably report it so the problem can be ended not just for yourself.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #22 on: 19 July 2006, 04:10 »
sudo apt-get gcc or wateva is not that hard :/

The point of ubuntu is to make linux as accessible as possible and that includes making compilers unneccessary. its a good thing in my opinion.

it will still download it as a dependency if you download kernel headers or something.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #23 on: 19 July 2006, 19:58 »
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sudo apt-get gcc or wateva is not that hard :/

The problem is my tester PC(the one I test programs and new OSes on) is not connected to the internet. I keep my eCS machine on the net.
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build-essential had a green box to the left of it? If so then that's a bug, and you should probably report it so the problem can be ended not just for yourself.

Doing it right now...
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #24 on: 30 July 2006, 04:05 »
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Hey, Duo, what's this? The Automatix list says not to install these if you live in the US.

23a) Installs NON-FREE audio codecs - BD (386/ppc)
23b) Installs NON-FREE DVD codecs -BD (386/amd64/ppc)


Yah, I know, but when have I ever cared about the legality of anything, much less copyright law?

Will it work? Yes! Is it legal in the US? Don't know, don't care. Is it safe? Seems so, been using it for months without a hitch.

I've heard of noone yet that has had their door kicked in for getting the codecs so that they can watch freecontent online or wat they have in their collection of DVDs.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #25 on: 31 July 2006, 20:33 »
As far as codecs go, I think the legal situation is that you can have them and use them, but you can't distribute them freely because of licensing issues.  Of course that depends on who "owns" the codec and how vigorously they defend their rights.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #26 on: 31 July 2006, 21:17 »
It's all legal in the EU anyhow, right (since there's no software patents)? Unless the codec isn't free software, but I think in general there are free codecs for most formats. (not sure about WMV)
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #27 on: 31 July 2006, 21:52 »
it's only illegal if you get caught ... that's what I always say :)
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #28 on: 6 August 2006, 19:19 »
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it's only illegal if you get caught ... that's what I always say :)


Yeah, and Charlie never killed anyone, he only wished them dead and they were.

Illegal is illegal. If you do something illegal, then you should be prepared to accept the full penalties associated with your actions. If not, then you should leave it alone.

A respectable reputation and character is hard to build, difficult to maintain, easy to loose and impossible to get back...except for Anakin Skywalker.
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Re: ubuntu frugal install :)
« Reply #29 on: 6 August 2006, 22:58 »
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Illegal is illegal. If you do something illegal, then you should be prepared to accept the full penalties associated with your actions. If not, then you should leave it alone.

hmmmm, I always thought you were a realist/pragmatist.  Most criminal activity seems to be completely divorced from consequences.  Which is one of the reasons why the death penalty has not significantly lowered the murder rate.

Piracy For Personal Use (TM) seems to be more of a scofflaw attitude than anything else.  Most people who borrow mp3s from their friends feel that they should be able to do it, fully knowing that they legally cannot.  Additionally, Piracy For Personal Use (TM) doesn't seem to hurt anyone.  When you give your friend a copy of a Metallica cd, Elecktra may lose $2, but it's not like you are taking $2 straight from their pockets.

Legally, it may be wrong, but I think there is a moral question involved in following laws that seem foolish and harmless.  Digital rights management through codecs and plugins seems especially stupid.  What did they expect me to do with that cd burner and that hi-speed internet connection?

To sum it all up in one question:
Should I have been prepared to face thousands of dollars in fines and possibly jail time before transcribing Sex Pistols lyrics in that other thread?
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