W2000 VS XP

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You know why the Windows machine got hit by viruses? It is because Windows is so popular and so widely used that people make viruses for Windows to cause mass destruction. If Linux was used by nearly as many people as Windows there would be alot of Linux virii. Why would anyone write a mass destruction program(virus) for an OS that only has .025% of the desktop OS share? That would be pointless if you ask me. If people would get a good AV program for Windows it wouldn't be a problem. Knowing an Open Source freak though, he probably chose to use some freeware AV program and didn't bother to update virus definitions(which is why the machine got infected).

Again, spreading bullshit.  Zombie, in Windows a person opens the wrong email attachment and a virus is launched infecting Windows system files.  For the 2 millionth time. This can not happen on a Linux system. Users do not have write access to any executable files, therefore viruses can not work. Quit spreading shit already...

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I don't have the time to sit on my ass all day and help people with OS problems. That is what paid technichians are for. I think that some of you are pretty big losers for sitting on these damn forums all day everyday. Here in a few minutes I'll be outta here cause I have places to go(I have a nice lil party to attend to tonight    ).

Unfortunately the only reason I am spending so much time on-line helping people is because I busted up some bones and don't have any other choice.  They're healing up real nice so I likely won't have nearly the time to spend here that I have for the last couple of months.  I'll be out trying to break more bones.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


Again, spreading bullshit.  Zombie, in Windows a person opens the wrong email attachment and a virus is launched infecting Windows system files.  For the 2 millionth time. This can not happen on a Linux system. Users do not have write access to any executable files, therefore viruses can not work. Quit spreading shit already...

Unless you are logged in as root. I'm sure some of the clever virus programmers out there could write damaging viruses for Linux that would work no matter what the circumstance is. Like I said, Linux isn't used by enough people for a virus writer to even waste his time writing a virus for Linux.

[orcpeon]

quote: Posted by Zombie283527879:

You know why the Windows machine got hit by viruses? It is because Windows is so popular and so widely used that people make viruses for Windows to cause mass destruction. If Linux was used by nearly as many people as Windows there would be alot of Linux virii. Why would anyone write a mass destruction program(virus) for an OS that only has .025% of the desktop OS share? That would be pointless if you ask me. If people would get a good AV program for Windows it wouldn't be a problem. Knowing an Open Source freak though, he probably chose to use some freeware AV program and didn't bother to update virus definitions(which is why the machine got infected).

Do you know why Windows gets hit by viruses?  It's because the OS wasn't built from the groud up with security in mind, unlike *NIX systems.  Any ol' program can fuck up your system files, which is unheard of under Linux.  I find it odd that you would use the argument that the reason Windows seems to have more security flaws than Linux is because it is more widely used, since Windows has a smaller market share than Linux on the server end, and yet strangely, it suffered more defacements in 2001 than all other OS's combined, according to securitystats.com.  How about them apples?

[TheQuirk]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:

I wanted to access my Windows partation in Linux and even that was a chore. In Windows you would just go to my computer and double click on the drive partion you want to view(only takes a few seconds to do),

Try getting to your linux files in Windows.
Doesn't it only support fat32 and ntfs formatted filesystems?

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by TheQuirk:


Try getting to your linux files in Windows.
Doesn't it only support fat32 and ntfs formatted filesystems?

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]

I'll give you that,  Windows can't access Linux partations. You can get your Linux files onto your Windows partation though. To do that you would simply copy the files over to the Windows partation from Linux.

Linux doesn't handle NTFS the greatest though, so the partion argument isn't that big of a thing.

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Unless you are logged in as root. I'm sure some of the clever virus programmers out there could write damaging viruses for Linux that would work no matter what the circumstance is. Like I said, Linux isn't used by enough people for a virus writer to even waste his time writing a virus for Linux.

UNIX 101, you don't do user stuff as root, guess you haven't read that chapter. Oh that's right, you used it for 2 hours and now you are an expert on the subject... And BTW, even as root you will not launch a virus by reading email. Linux mail clients aren't brain dead enough to allow execution of code from unknown sources simply be reading a message. Who's dumb ass idea was that one?

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:



You know why the Windows machine got hit by viruses? It is because Windows is so popular and so widely used that people make viruses for Windows to cause mass destruction. If Linux was used by nearly as many people as Windows there would be alot of Linux virii. Why would anyone write a mass destruction program(virus) for an OS that only has .025% of the desktop OS share? That would be pointless if you ask me. If people would get a good AV program for Windows it wouldn't be a problem. Knowing an Open Source freak though, he probably chose to use some freeware AV program and didn't bother to update virus definitions(which is why the machine got infected).

Who said I was an open source freak?!?

The virus scanner used was McAfee.com services. Not exactly open source. Norton was used after McAfee couldn't find and remove all of the viruses.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


UNIX 101, you don't do user stuff as root, guess you haven't read that chapter. Oh that's right, you used it for 2 hours and your decision was made.

I've used it more than 2 hours in the past(because my job forced me to learn how to use Linux and Unix). I don't need a book to tell me not to do stuff as root because I already know that. ;P

Tell that to the fools who will be using Lindows in the future. IT is to my understanding that everything in Lindows is done when logged in as root.

[voidmain]

Even logged in as root mail programs in Linux are not brain dead enough to execute code let alone from unknown sources just by reading a message. Who's dumb ass idea was that?

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You know why the Windows machine got hit by viruses? It is because Windows is so popular and so widely used that people make viruses for Windows to cause mass destruction. If Linux was used by nearly as many people as Windows there would be alot of Linux virii. Why would anyone write a mass destruction program(virus) for an OS that only has .025% of the desktop OS share? That would be pointless if you ask me. If people would get a good AV program for Windows it wouldn't be a problem. Knowing an Open Source freak though, he probably chose to use some freeware AV program and didn't bother to update virus definitions(which is why the machine got infected).

M$'s punishment for being a monopoly. I know a number of people who wrote virii, and most of them were out to prove that Winblows is such a shitty, insecure product. It's not even about destroying computers anymore...they are trying to prove a point you idiot.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:



Who said I was an open source freak?!?

The virus scanner used was McAfee.com services. Not exactly open source. Norton was used after McAfee couldn't find and remove all of the viruses.

McCafee isn't exactly the best AV software to initially use. That reminds me of theMcAfee anti-virus software fails to block Klez virus warning that was out not very long ago. If McCafee can't block the Klez virus very well what makes you think it will protect against other viruses effectivley. If you had've been using Norton AV 2002 or 2003 initially I bet you wouldn't have ever go the viruses to begin with. I am satisfied with Norton cause my system has never been infected once by any viruses or E-Mail worms since I started using Norton.

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:

I've used it more than 2 hours in the past(because my job forced me to learn how to use Linux and Unix). I don't need a book to tell me not to do stuff as root because I already know that. ;P

Tell that to the fools who will be using Lindows in the future. IT is to my understanding that everything in Lindows is done when logged in as root.

Lindows sucks! Who said anyone should use Lindows, or that it was good? They are almost as bad as M$.
See my sig.

[orcpeon]

quote: Posted by Zombie:
Now, can you prove to me that XP is full of spyware? I'm not going to believe a un-proven comment made by a Anti-MS zealot. Where is your cold-hard proof buddy?

First of all, because Windows is closed source it could be full of spyware and backdoors, since you can't just look at the source code to prove otherwise.  However, I'm the one making the claim that Windows has spyware, so I won't ask you to "disprove" it.  That'd be like me saying to you "prove God doesn't exist, otherwise he exists!"

Here's an interesting article for you to read that might raise a few questions:

http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24815.html

Just what is the definition of "spyware," anyway?  Before we can decide if Windows XP is indeed spyware, we have to define spyware.  I'd say spyware is any software that reports what you do on your computer or can view files or upload things to your computer without your consent.  Under that definition XP is certainly spyware, it even says so in the MS EULA.  On page 6, you "acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and / or It's components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer."  That is spyware in my book, especially since it is capable of doing it without your consent.  Under that clause Microsoft could secretly apply a patch to everyone's copy of WMP that incorporates more digital rights management, or any number of other possibilities.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:


M$'s punishment for being a monopoly. I know a number of people who wrote virii, and most of them were out to prove that Winblows is such a shitty, insecure product. It's not even about destroying computers anymore...they are trying to prove a point you idiot.

They are trying to prove that if everyone had a real life and didn't have the time to sit on thier asses all day cyberspace would be a much better place. Really, why don't people who write viruses go find something constructive to do with thier time? Fuck this place, I have stuff to go do tonight. I'll fight with you all later. ;P