I neva believed I'd actually say this...

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
I am really beginning to wonder what the last version of Linux you used?  Even a Windows user can use the latest distros without having a brain cramp.

Y'know, he has a point. When I started using Linux/UNIX/MacOS what platform did you think I came from? Winamd (as opposed to Wintel). I popped the CD in and went all out. Then I re-partitioned and put craploads of OSes on my PC (Win3.11/Win95/Win98/WinME/Win2K/WinXPPro/Mandrake/RedHat/Slackware/Lindows/Corel - Mac & YellowDogLinux on my PB - I want UNIX bad...) It's a true developer's testing environment. I added WinXPPro after I got some complaints that some software I made crashed on WinXP.

So, Voidmain is right. Any person could come to Linux...even if in some cases it means printing out a 1 or 2 page install guide.

-Dustin

[lazygamer]

Still, I have respect for Zombie, he's nothing like Unixsucks or XPluser. Perhaps he's just hear to show us the good of windows and bad of Linux. Linux will have some downsides ya know.

[psyjax]

I agree with both Void and Zombie to some extent. But I think Zombie's atitude is a bit counter productive.

Zombie, I think you must admit that Linux has much potential to become a kick ass OS to rival MS in every way including user friendlyness. It get's better and better with every update to things like KDE etc.

So ya, Grandma may have trouble using it now, but I don't think you should be so dead set on telling everyone to not even try it. I mean, that's how linux will grow, the more people use it and develop it and tinker with it, the better it will get.

We need the oposit aproach, Linux is not perfect, it's not very easy, but start using it and it will get better as it's popularity increases.

That's my opinion anyway.

[HPC GUY]

well void he is right to a small degree. working in a computer shop like i do, you see a vast number of brain dead people using aol with winME, out of sheer convieniece. they are too lazy to do some reading and learn the ins and outs of anything outside of a point and click. i learned redhat in a week. its not that hard (especially the latest disros) to install and set things up. you just have to do a little reading but some people lack the time or dont feel like it. Microsoft capitalizes off the lazy people. its sad but true, Linux takes time to learn but its well worth it. Unix is my next challange...

[voidmain]

Ok, take that same brain dead person, give them a PC with no operating system on it, and a Windows CD and a Linux CD.  Don't you think there is a good chance those people would have trouble with both?  Also take that same brain dead person and give them a PC that has Windows and had Linux preinstalled.  Do you really think they will have that much trouble with Linux?  Of course there is a good chance they already have some Windows familiarity so it can't be a very unbiased test unless you can find a person who has never touched either.

I'm not saying that if you are already familiar with Windows there will not be differences or a learning curve if switching to Linux.  I can tell you that Linux is closing that gap rapidly and I see a time in the near future when it will be a non-issue.

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by RudeCat7:
Whatever...

Fill out your member profile or your opinions don't mean shit, because you didn't even take the time.    :mad:  

This goes for both of you, Madmarky and Microsoft Zombie.

I would toss out the whole fucking computer if it had any proprietary microsoft crap!

i am astonished at the out of touchness of this post so far! amazing!

quote:
Microsoft will fuck you over to make more money!

ah true! now we get in gear. the rest of this guy's post is fairly okay...

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Ok, take that same brain dead person, give them a PC with no operating system on it, and a Windows CD and a Linux CD.  Don't you think there is a good chance those people would have trouble with both?  Also take that same brain dead person and give them a PC that has Windows and had Linux preinstalled.  Do you really think they will have that much trouble with Linux?  Of course there is a good chance they already have some Windows familiarity so it can't be a very unbiased test unless you can find a person who has never touched either.

I'm not saying that if you are already familiar with Windows there will not be differences or a learning curve if switching to Linux.  I can tell you that Linux is closing that gap rapidly and I see a time in the near future when it will be a non-issue.

give any braindead person, and by this i mean most people, and put either a computer with windows and linux preinstalled, or a blank machine and the install disks for both systems in front of them, and you can bet that whether they know nothing or not, they will just boot into windows or use the windows CD without even considering their alternatives.

and this is the problem with so many areas of modern living. blind.

[RudeCat7]

I can't believe all the effort you put into this argument. All you seem to have said after all this is:

Linux is not for dipshits.
Dipshits should use Windows.
There will be a lot more Windows users because there are a lot more pc illiterate dipshits.

Wow! what a conclusion! This is what you stand for?
You have decided to be the poster boy for a product that is put out by a company that decides what you are allowed to do with it, practically extorts your personal information so it can sell it, market more crap to you, or just keep track of you with spyware. This company hooks you like a pusher- once you've learned one application, and invested all your efforts, time and money (employees time) you have to keep on using the same products to stay "compatible". Next, Microsoft comes up with this new technology crap, not because it's better, or you need it, but because it's good for marketing! You know the big corporations only go along with it because they too are pc illiterate dipshits in suits.  These are the guys that buy the more expensive software because that means "it must be better". So Microsoft advertises that this new OS, or that application will make your company millions! That's bullshit! Like that Dell commercial that shows this IT manager getting kudos because he saved the company money- by buying new servers!

That's the kinda thinking that's screwing you up! What the hell are you fighting for? Something you buy in nice little  shrink wrapped box with a cool hologram that tells you that you are an authentic sucker? What? more than one computer? Buy another!

Why come here and post shit just to piss off people like Voidman and the rest of the moderaters that spend their time trying to help people learn something?

If you're so in love with Windows, why don't you   spend your time helping out the Microsoft slaves.

And as far as the member profile goes...


 

quote: I don't fill out shit!

This just shows your absolute immaturity and lack of personal responsibility. Oh sure, you like to spew your bullshit, and tell people what you think, and piss them off and say "I'm right!" but those are just empty spineless thoughts.

So I will just have to make some assumptions on my own:

11 years old
living at home
sorry ass 486sx2 Packard Bell that actually belongs to mom and dad
14.4 dial-up connection
on AOL and tons of XP lovers on your buddy list
Experienced Unix user? 11 years olds are not experienced Unix users!  

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by RudeCat7:
So I will just have to make some assumptions on my own:

11 years old
living at home
sorry ass 486sx2 Packard Bell that actually belongs to mom and dad
14.4 dial-up connection
on AOL and tons of XP lovers on your buddy list
Experienced Unix user? 11 years olds are not experienced Unix users!            

Try 11x2(well not quite yet, I'll be 22 the 2nd of next month)

Hell yeah I live at home. I own the bitch so why shouldn't I live in it? I bet you don't own a home yet...I bet you live in your parents basement or maybe you live in some kind of trailor park or project...!

Wrong again buddy, try an Athlon XP 1600+, a Pentium 4(Williamette) 1.7ghz o/ced to almost 2.1ghz and a 2.53ghz Pentium 4(Northwood)...all which I built(I do not buy crappy OEM compters).
BTW, do you really think that a person could even install Windows XP on a 486? ROFLMFAO, true fact...alot of people use Linux because thier boxes are too outdated to run Windows decently(which is why they think Windows XP is slow).

Wrong again, at the moment I am on a 56k dial-up connection. Only because my house is a little too far out of the range of the nearest tower to get DSL/Cable, I had Cable in the apartment I was living in before I bought my house.


AOL? I think not. I use a real ISP(one that I can use with any OS and any browser). Joink is far from AOL(or any other propriarity ISPs).

I am not 11 years old for one, and I never claimed to be an *experienced* Unix user. I will admit that I'm far from being an experienced Unix user(a Unix geek). I really only have basic knowledge of Unix. I know the basics of how to run a Unix system because I have actually spent some time using Unix(because my job requires that all employees learn how to use all OSes in case we get a box in the shop that has a non-Windows OS). Since I have used Unix I know for a fact that it is not an OS for an average Joe-Blow consumer...you may not like to admit it...but Unix is not designed for desktops. As I've already said, it does an excellent job at doing what it is intended for(that is to be a server OS that can handle massive workloads and massive traffic).

My assumptions are *you* are the 11 year old. I also assume that you have no friends(hence why you are always in your basement playing with your computer). I also bet that you don't have a woman(and I'm guessing that you masterbaute to digital porn). God knows, you probably don't even have a fucking job.

(EDIT)With a name like RudeCat I know for a fact that you are still a minor. Your name just shows that you are filled with immaturity. You have wasted enough of my valuable time for now...so please quit communicating with me already.    

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[voidmain]

Heh heh, this is funny. RudeCat, he ain't going to leave because he secretly wants to learn Linux as he knows the dominant gene always surfaces eventually.  And he doesn't piss me off. Sure we've had our knock down drag outs but we're both still here. I have to say I am happier with Zombie here than XP Luser or that unixsux idiot.

I think he usually sparks good debate and he usually ends up putting all the points in the Linux column by accident.  I'm actually beginning to enjoy my debates with him (although it does detract me from helping people as I won't have as much time to help once the old bones heal up).

[choasforages]

man, redhat 8.0 is giong to be great. and gnome2 is very easy to use/*not easyto set up, took me 5-6 hours*/ and how many fps would you get on a k6-3 400mhz running quake3 at like 1600x1200? i get like 24 or so. and im actally using windos me on my thinkpad cuase my parents made me do it. but as soon as FreeBSD has easly installable packages of openoffice. thats what ill use, and if they give me the windows crap, ill tell them that they made windows from *BSD

[RudeCat7]

It sounds a lot like "I'm rubber, you're glue"

Unix is not for the desktop for the average Joe. I agree.

Not much of an argument there.  As far as the rest of your remarks... laughable.

My 4.5 year old son uses win98 for games, but I'm gonna figure out how to use Connectix Virtual Playstation in Wine soon....and he's gonna convert too!

edit: and the RudeCat name came from my Commodore 64 days, 'bout 18 years ago...hmm, I remember this kind of arguing on the BBSs too.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]

[Stryker]

How can you say that *nix isn't convenient? It has everything the average user will need. the "Average user" seems to be your strongest point. but linux comes with everything the average user needs. it has email, office, a shitload of games (on readhat at least), top of the line graphics programs (not that they need anything better than paint, there is kpaint though). Whatever it is the average user needs linux has preinstalled. you dont need to spend $800 for microsoft office, you dont need to spend $200 for kernel upgrades, which the average user wouldn't need anyways. And you dont have to travel around in fear of viruses, so you dont need to spend $100 or so a year for a subscription to mcaffee. (or however you spell it). What is 1 advantage that windows truely have? I can only think of games, and that is because the makers of most games are pro windows and get paid for it. ID makes some good linux games. You tell me 1 true advantage that windows has over linux.

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:



You fucking idiot. I know how to use *nix based systems. I am talking about people who don't know how to and don't have the time to learn how to use the *nix systems.

The fact that Windows is easy to use is the reason why MS has like 89% of the desktop marketshare, Apple has like 10% and *nix has under 1%.

To Rudecat,

VoidMain doesn't make stupid posts telling people to fill out thier profiles. Why in the hell should a person care about profiles?

With that said, I have no problem arguing with Void because he isn't a complete idiot(hence why I haven't told him to go suck a dick). You on the other hand are a waste of my time. Her, Her...fill out your profile...her...her, hardy..har.   :rolleyes:  

what the hell are you talking about? linux doesn't have a market share...

[cocoamix]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:


The kind of people I'm talking about barely even know how to use a computer(they have to use crappy ISP's like AOL because of the ease of use for crying out loud). With that said, what makes you think they would even know where to begin in running a *nix system.

Word up, Windows works, is conveiniant and offers everything needed for your average user. It takes very little knowledge for a computer n00b to operate Windows. Linux is getting easier to use, but it is not nearly easy enough for computer n00bs and people who don't care to learn how to extensivley use a computer.

Does anyone else find it ironic that he slams AOL for being easy to use and ubiquitous, but praises Windoze for the same reason?

If people should dump AOL for being only for dumb n00bs, then they should dump Windoze for the same reason, accoring to Zombie's reasoning.