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« Reply #45 on: 6 September 2002, 02:39 »
just to make a couple of points:

every computer i have installed mandrake 8.2 and redhat 7.3 on have had all of thier hardware supported, and in the case of logitech usb joysticks there was no software to (download and) install.  both distributions recognized the pci-to-pci bridge on my board without asking for any help.

--this cannot be said for windows.

the rpm package auto-installers in some distributions are making installation easier and easier.  windows takes the cake on ease of install.

--in most cases.  good luck, however, showing grandma how to track down some corrupted registry key or system file.  and add/remove programs was a terrible idea... linux defeats this (sort of)

neither OS is perfect, but you cant beat the price and reliability of linux, and you can do without the dirt associated with a M$ OS.

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« Reply #46 on: 7 September 2002, 00:24 »
Just remember Zombie you are not your operating system or how much ram you have on your motherboard....  :D
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« Reply #47 on: 11 September 2002, 07:24 »
<<Heh heh, I knew that would get a rise out of you Zombie. All I know is, I am sitting here on my old piece of shit Dell Laptop w/64MB of RAM running RedHat 7.3 trucking right along like just fine surfing the net doing all of my productivity stuff in OpenOffice. Only a server OS huh? I bet this Laptop would puke if I tried to install XP on it.

Your average user can get along quite nicely with Linux. You don't see as much on the shelves because most of it can be had for free without purchasing in a store.>>


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« Reply #48 on: 11 September 2002, 07:33 »
My firewall is a P100 with 128MB (which is overkill) and it has been working flawlessly for years.
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« Reply #49 on: 11 September 2002, 07:53 »
getting fancy there arent we, void main?
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« Reply #50 on: 11 September 2002, 18:44 »
yeah .... my mom is blind and even she managed to install SuSE linux (and all key elements for a blind computer user (text to speech and braille readers) are supported out of the box, while windows requires here to use a 2000$ program for text to speech, with the same nazi licensing scheme as windows xp, you have to practically beg with the supplier for a new key if you reinstalled windows, which in my mom's case (win98) happens quite regularly)

also:

windows xp + gaming = sucks!

unless I manually reconfigure my PCI slots so windows understands that it's not a very bright plan to assign 6 devices (including a geforce 3) to one IRQ, I take a 30+ fps hit with return to castle wolfenstein cause of this (so I only play the linux version)

furthermore, older games (to name a few: Arcanum, Railroad Tycoon 2, championship manager 2001/2002) will hugely fuck up in one way or another (arcanum slows down as if I were playing on a pentium 200 after extensive playtime, and I have to reboot to fix this, railroad tycoon 2 will occansionaly show me a nice black screen after I quit, again, only way out is to reboot (go figure, it runs excellent with WINE) championship manager will allways show me a black screen when I task switch to another program)

so with all the so called enhanced stability of winXP I still end up rebooting at least twice a day if I only use it to play games (let alone actually doing serious work with it), the same games games running with WINE (if they worked) *never ever* caused me to reboot my computer... go figure....

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oops ... missed page 2... this post was in reply to the following bit:

 
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I am really beginning to wonder what the last version of Linux you used? Even a Windows user can use the latest distros without having a brain cramp.



[ September 11, 2002: Message edited by: BadKarma ]

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« Reply #51 on: 11 September 2002, 18:47 »
Why do people still believe that Linux is nowhere near mainstream? On the contrary, I think that Linux is now more mainstream than ever! As I said in an older thread, it's all about choice! If you want to learn something more about computers, get Linux or other *NIX clones. You can't do anything with Windows, that is tweak your system and bring it to your needs! Hell, in Linux you can even recompile the entire kernel! Talk about freedom  :eek:  !

Abou the hardware issue. Don't buy proprietary hardware that is hardware that works only with Windoze (like GDI printers, winmodems etc). Keep in mind that this kind of hardware is really inferior compared to real hardware. You get what you pay for after all  ;)

Oh, and Zombie I'm really what you'd call "network illiterate" but I use Linux for daily purposes just as efficiently, and even more, than Windoze   ;)

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« Reply #52 on: 11 September 2002, 18:51 »
hey zombie, just to prove how fucking magnificent windows xp is, enter the following line in your IE address bar and hit enter:
 hcp://system/DFS/uplddrvinfo.htm?file://c:\windows\*

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« Reply #53 on: 12 September 2002, 05:57 »
Heh heh, I hope all you non SP1 users click on that URL.  Here's the article explaining it:

http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26272.html

Gotta love that M$ system security!  
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« Reply #54 on: 13 September 2002, 01:47 »
Heh, I tried BadKarmas' trick and it didn't work. Now I know why....because I have XP SP1 installed on my machine(unfortunatley I had to reboot to apply SP1 so there goes my uptime  :(  ) . ;P


It looks like Windows is magnificent. I mean shit, MS does fix vunerabilities and MS is good at offering Service Packs(because they are always working to improve thier software) for thier NT based OSes. ;P

We don't have to rely on fixes by members of the Windows community like you all have to do with Linux. Who is to say that there aren't some members of the linux community who release malicious fixes to Linux problems? At least us Windows users know that we aren't recieving malicious shit.

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« Reply #55 on: 13 September 2002, 02:25 »
Heh heh, Windows itself is malicious shit. I don't have to wait on a vender *or* the community to fix something. I can fix it myself. And I don't have to pray that something I believe to be a bug is also beleived to be a bug by the vendor. I can just fix it myself, or change/add a feature to suit my needs.
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« Reply #56 on: 13 September 2002, 03:57 »
Now Zombie, let me say that I disagree with you on everything you mentioned in your last post.

First of all, the rate at which M$ fixes any bugs in their software is about 50 times lower than this of the Linux community. Secondly, when M$ decide to do some bugfixing, it's most of the times due to third parties announcing a major bug in Windows (like the one with the XP help center, mentioned above). So, under the pressure of "trustworthy computing", which literally means "let's fix some bugs or we'll lose customers", they decide to quickly patch up any major vulnerability. Furthermore, most of the times you install a service pack, your computer screws up worse than before.

Now, to the second part: If and when a member of the Linux community releases malicious code, he will be immediately isolated by the rest in notime. Oh, and windows users do receive "malicious shit". It's simpler called "spyware"   ;)

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« Reply #57 on: 13 September 2002, 21:58 »
How often does M$ release patches?

Dude... Microsoft barely releases fixes for the really embarrassing holes.

If it's not in the news, they don't give a shit!

Linux patches appear ASAP, and many, many people are looking for ways to improve linux all the time. Malicious code wouldn't get very far because there is always someone somewhere watching out.

You talk about Microsoft like they're your pals! If you didn't shell out your cash, you'd be shit to them (you are anyways).

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« Reply #58 on: 13 September 2002, 14:26 »
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Heh, I tried BadKarmas' trick and it didn't work. Now I know why....because I have XP SP1 installed on my machine(unfortunatley I had to reboot to apply SP1 so there goes my uptime   :(   ) . ;P


It looks like Windows is magnificent. I mean shit, MS does fix vunerabilities and MS is good at offering Service Packs(because they are always working to improve thier software) for thier NT based OSes. ;P

We don't have to rely on fixes by members of the Windows community like you all have to do with Linux. Who is to say that there aren't some members of the linux community who release malicious fixes to Linux problems? At least us Windows users know that we aren't recieving malicious shit.



haw haw haw! I'm glad you decided to stick around, zombie62786327648732, i like a good laugh!
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It looks like Windows is magnificent. I mean shit,
yes, you do mean shit, at least i'll agree with you there.  
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MS does fix vunerabilities
after weeks, months or even years, yes. Remember the C:/con/con bug? quite a serious one i would have thought. It has been present in every version of windows 95 and 98, and the patch was finally released in 2000. pathetic. The only time they even consider releasing a patch is if somebody else finds a bug! i mean, if Microsoft are the only ones with access to the windows source code, then they have a responsibility to release patches for bugs before people find out about them.  
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and MS is good at offering Service Packs(because they are always working to improve thier software) for thier NT based OSes. ;P
oh please! i think we dealt with this in the previous answer, did we not? M$ are 'good' at releasing service packs in the same way that banks are 'good' at lending money. they always do it grudgingly, always too late, and it never turns out to actually help in the end anyway.
 
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We don't have to rely on fixes by members of the Windows community like you all have to do with Linux.
and in what way is this a good thing? on one hand we have a monopolistic company employing a few guys on a salary to make patches for this huge bug of an 'operating system', now where's their incentive to do a good job? Those guys are probably not allowed to see the whole of the source code for the system either for security reasons and this is probably why many Microsoft programs create huge gaping security problems in many other Microsoft programs. On the other hand you have a large community of people, doing it for the love of it, who all have access to all the source code they need, who are all reading each other's code and checking for bugs and who are usually very good at bringing out fast updates and writing concise documentation, not to mention making their work easy to find on the internet (unlike some corporations i might mention).  
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Who is to say that there aren't some members of the linux community who release malicious fixes to Linux problems?
everybody dumbass! the POINT of it all being open source is so people cannot do just that! let me make an example, since simple explanation is beyond you:
let us say voidmain has a particularly odd change of habits and ingeniously attempts to write some network related program with code hidden in it designed to email him info about people's computers, what software versions they have etc, in the hopes that he can then exploit those vulnerabilities at a later time. Now i might hasten to add that i cannot imagine him ever doing this, but this is an EXAMPLE, okay? right, so he's written this program, and he makes it available on the internet under the GPL. Right away, about fifty people download the source for it and within hours, you can bet somebody will have spotted what the extra code in his program does and put the word around about it. additionally that person (or somebody who hears about it) will probably take out all the spyware, and make the new clean version available for download, again under the GPL (since any modified GPL program is required legally to also be GPL). So within hours, the bug has been spotted, sorted, and fixed, totally bypassing the intentions of the evil voidmain, who will probably realise the error of his ill guided actions and become a powerful force for good as a result.
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At least us Windows users know that we aren't recieving malicious shit.

sometimes i think you throw these little quips in there as a joke! all closed source software is a mystery. run a closed source program on your machine and it could do anything. if the user who runs the program has access to system files, then the system could be corrupted or wiped. This is not a problem in a unix environment, since normal users do not have access to system files. in windows, users have access to system files by default. to coin a yank phrase, "you do the math". If the system itself is closed source (which is fucking dumb, as you can see from the things i point out above) then your problem is not just of isolated programs doing unpredictable things, but even if you run a program you are totally sure of, who can say the system might not do unpredictable things (ie wipe drives, corrupt data, etc)? Worse, even if your program does not have access to system files, your system certainly does! so if the system is the problem, then expect trouble.

Now i do expect you to miss most of the points i have outlined here, but do try to understand, it is so rarely i actually attempt to formulate a reply to your farcical attempts to defend microsoft windows, zombie6378637286138... until the next time....  ;)
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« Reply #59 on: 15 September 2002, 11:08 »
Zombie8325928 must be retarded.  I doubt he has ever used Linux in his life.  Sorry, using UNIX is nothing like using Linux and by that I mean most "UNIX" machines are old mainframes with no GUI, wheras a modern Linux distribution comes with a very nice gui.  Zombie does know that Mac OS X, which is a *nix, is easier to use than his precious Windows?  I use Linux every day as my main OS (I used to run XP on this machine but it was a pile of shit so I removed it.  I'm really serious; it looked gay, it ate all my ram, and whenever I had to reinstall it I needed to call Microsoft up and beg for permission.  I don't think so.)  In Linux, I don't have to deal with viruses, or crummy and bloated antivirus software for that matter.  I also don't have to pay for development tools as they come free with Linux.  Zombie must be a moron if he thinks Linux is hard to use.  It is EASIER than Windows.  The fact that Linux is more powerful than Windows allows you do do more complex things with it, but that doesn't make it harder than Windows for "average" tasks.  My roommate, who has NO experiences with any non-M$ OS, was having problems with his PC and I let him use my Linux box.  Without asking for help he browsed the web (using mozilla of course, which, with the IE skin looks exactly like IE, (but I hardly see that as a plus) checked his email, and played Warcraft III; no problems at all.  Zombie is a stinking liar or his is ignorant.  Get an up-to-date Linux distribution and check it out.  Windows XP didn't work with my CD burner OR my video card until I downloaded updates to the software.  Linux detected both and I was burning CD's out of the box.  Ha.  Some sorry assed hardware like Winmodems and gay HP scanners may not work under Linux, but that is always because the manufacturer refuses to release driver details. (probably because M$ bribes them)  I was playing the Unreal Tournament 2003 demo on Linux today, and there was this joker who got in a fight with me over which OS was better, Linux or XP.  He said "Windows XP Pro rulez" and I proceeded to beat his head in.  Perhaps he was Zombie.

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