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« Reply #45 on: 5 March 2002, 12:17 »
Ya your little iStuff pic is real mature.
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« Reply #46 on: 5 March 2002, 12:21 »
I also think you failed to catch the point of my first post in this topic. The point of the post was..*IF* a Linux distributer thinks they can get away with charging money for thier OS they will do it(just like MS). Business is business man, do you really think any of the companies who distribute Linux gives a rats ass about you. Hell no they don't, they are in it for the $$$ just like MS.

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« Reply #47 on: 5 March 2002, 12:26 »
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Ya your little iStuff pic is real mature.


Ha, the sig is a joke d00d. Sadly enough, the joke actually reflects some truth on the Mac community. They love ranting about how easy a Mac is to use(because they do not have to manually install hardware drivers). Ease of use actually used to be a big part of Maccie arguments. If a person wants something just because it is easy to use then they are a certified simpleton(kinda like all of the AOL zombies who fear learning how to use a real browser and a real ISP).

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« Reply #48 on: 5 March 2002, 13:45 »
First of all, your signature, good joke (a sarcastic round of applause).

Macs are easy to use. Windows is for idiots, but wait, Windows is trying to be as easy to use as the MacOS. It succeeds in dumbing down the interface, but it fails in actually making the system any easier to use. You get the worst of both worlds!

Now, can i reiterate something that was said earlier? You were telling us all how linux vendors are all ripoff merchant cowboy Bill Gates wannabes.
Well the point here is that the OS is free, and if you pay money for it, you pay for a LICENCE. Unlike windows, there IS a FREE licence that ANYBODY can use linux under, but if you choose to BUY a licence from an independent vendor (not the manufacturer of the software, so it's not a monopoly) then you get whatever the licence promises. Support and manuals? extra bundled software? Support for a company with 60 clueless employees who will all ring up with dumb questions every five minutes and your IT guy only knows how to work windows? Whatever you like.
The reason that these 3rd parties can provide such comprehensive support, is the open source thing. The OS is totally OPEN (get it?) so you can see how it works. If you can't see, you pay a professional to come and look at it so they can tell you how it works.

Now a couple of your comments i would like to reply to:
 
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It is silly that you people actually hate another human being for liking certain software. Give me a god damn break, software is just data that is stored magnetically to a little disk platter. Grow the fuck up man and quit calling people names and shit like a little child.

don't get such a big head. People might find you irritating at times  ;)  but they don't hate you.

lastly, this is my favourite:
 
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Windows isn't perfect and I don't claim it is, but at least it can do everything.

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« Reply #49 on: 5 March 2002, 17:12 »
I think its blatently obvious to anyone that NO SOFTWARE CAN DO EVERYTHING!!! I run both windows and redhat linux because of that fact. Windows is slower in most respects (recent improvements have been cutting this aspect of windows out) and is very buggy. I think that people have to get extra upset at microsoft not because of its second rate software...but because of its monopoly. User support is so great for windows because the "Average User" can easlily accomplish complicated tasks. That is the brilliance of it. Soo because so many people use it because its usable, Software companies have to respond by making their programs compatible. So now we have a bunch of people stuck in the middle who have no choice in the matter because of compatibility. That pisses people off.

     A friend of mine recently acquired a beta version of lindows which is still rather buggy but promises a safe alternative to using windows.

You shouldnt take personal offence because other people dont like what you like. Everyone should use what they're comfortable with but not be afraid of change. If the time comes when its essential to use windows I'll use it.. If there's another way I'll choose to use that instead, but pride wont stop my exploration of other and in my opinion better OS's.

Dont forget that any software can be free if you dont think that the person selling it to you deserves it. I've never paid for a copy of windows in my entire life, but if i felt that they had a decent OS for a resonable price I would spend the cash on it. Maybe someday.  

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« Reply #50 on: 5 March 2002, 20:43 »
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
They love ranting about how easy a Mac is to use(because they do not have to manually install hardware drivers). Ease of use actually used to be a big part of Maccie arguments. If a person wants something just because it is easy to use then they are a certified simpleton(kinda like all of the AOL zombies who fear learning how to use a real browser and a real ISP).


Mac peoiple are way away from AOL zombies and simpletons. I think you misinterpret the Mac arguemnt.  The whole ease of use thing revolves around actual functionality of the inteface. Windows pretends to be easy to use and functional but fails miserably.

The fact is that even in the oldest macs the PC people loved talking crap about how not techy they were. I wonder how winowzes proported ease of use sold it so weill ?  

But if you knew anything about 'em, you could get just as techy with an old system 6 machine as with any Windoze box. The point was that the system fuctions fine without the need for the tech. They were computers built so that everyone (note: EVERYONE) could use them, and no mater how you like branding people simpoltons for this desire, you would not have a computer on your desk if it wasent for it.

No one is born a computer wizard (no matter how much you'd like to think you were) Im sure you were introduced to these wonderful machines on a Comodor, Tandy, Amiga or even an old Apple, did you jump right in and go nuts over all the things you could tweak on your motherboard, or what you could change in various .ini files. Of course not! You probably creamed your jeans the first time you booted up Test Drive, and thats all you did with the darnd thing, despite your parents buying you Algeblaster and other edu-tainment crap (semi-Autobigraphical)   . By your deffinition I suppose you were a simpolton at that time because you couldent get past Dir or Cd commands.

Im sure you find instaling drivers manualy and configuring BAT files and diging thrugh the registry a whole lot of fun. But often, I like to tell my computer what I want it to do and it will do it, my way, and not force me to deconstruct it in order to make it functional.

And with OSX that techy argument turns in to a pile of crap. Macs have UNIX now, what the hell does windows have, DOS? And guess what, the system is still as simple to use and intuative as it ever was, something windowz wishes.

There is a large programming comunity on the MacOS, there is a large server comunity, even an open source comunity (of course windows wouldent allow this), there are Mac haker sites, there are mac everything. And alot of these are pre-OSX, heck some go as far back as OS 7.0. Fine grupe of simpoltons that don't know how to be techy there, huh?

Get real, I can get techy with a cordless phone and berate you as a simpleton because you don't know how to hardwire a 100 watt AMP to the thing and get it to pump out 4 channel high quality stereo sound.

Sometimes people only need things to do, what they want them to do, at the time they are doing it. This doesn't make them simpletons.
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« Reply #51 on: 6 March 2002, 17:45 »
Though macs are making a comeback from the past few years of being ERRADICATED by Pc's they still have a long way to go before they are an open system whatsoever. Try changing your video card sometime.. Or maybe you'll want to install a new hard drive.. I used to have a mac back in the day and it was cool, but its time was then and now it needs to die. I dont have anything against people who use them I just dont believe they are the future. Macs require just as much setup as pc's anyhow. In some respects they can be easier to use once you get them set up, but try to buy individual parts and construct your own.. GOOD LUCK!!  

P.S. --Nice windows bashing anyhow but UNIX IS ON EVERYTHING EVEN YOUR HATED PC'S

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« Reply #52 on: 6 March 2002, 22:15 »
I don't hate PC's. Just don't like Windoze.

What are you talking about anyway? I bought a new HD not to long ago, had no problem. A nice 80GB one, I have bought vid. cards too.

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« Reply #53 on: 7 March 2002, 18:24 »
Most macs I've encountered are so proprietary that installing new peripheral devices causes headache after headache... If your's was easy then great!! I'll stick with my home built pc..
   

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« Reply #54 on: 8 March 2002, 02:58 »
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Originally posted by Ozymandias:
Most macs I've encountered are so proprietary that installing new peripheral devices causes headache after headache... If your's was easy then great!! I'll stick with my home built pc..
       



Hey like I said, PC's are great I used to have one. Theyr great little workhorses that you can tinker with. But I must dissagree on the paripherals issue. Most of the hi end graphics cards, video cards, are made for the mac. The same RAM for PC runs on the mac, most of the highend printers run on mac (duh!) I dunno. Never really had a problem with this.... hmmm.... maybe you owned one of the iMac type all one things over the years, Those things are excruciatingly trimmed down for expandability.
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« Reply #55 on: 8 March 2002, 03:33 »
I agree on the last set of replies from Psyjax totally. I have long wondered about the fact that if you miss installing some drivers in windows that peripheral cannot function correctly. I can give you an example of this:

My mother bought a USB scanner for her computer (win 98) and plugged it in. The system recognized that new hardware were being added to the whole entity and subsequently asked for the right set of drivers. I put the CD in and it searched, but the damn thing couldn
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« Reply #56 on: 8 March 2002, 14:00 »
you could refresh the folder whenever you wanted to see the size of the file, instead of reopening it. it's easy if you have your explorer windows set up with that little "Go" button, but no, it doesn't autorefresh the size continuously.

Win98 has that problem, you need to know exactly which directory the CORRECT driver is in for it to install. this is awkward for the following reason, the right driver for you might be in "D:/Software/Drivers/Win98/English/" but if you accidentally specify, say "D:/Software/Drivers/Win2k/English/" you will still install A driver but your peripheral will probably not work, as it will be the wrong driver for THAT version of windows.
WinME is actually BETTER than 98 in this respect. It allows you to search the entire CD for drivers all in one hit, rather than folder at a time like 98 does. The problem with ME is that once it finds A driver it stops looking. So if the generic drivers are at the start of the CD, and the (better) specialist ones are near the end, windows sees the generic ones first and goes "aha! windows has found a suitable driver for this device". Unless you know that there is a better driver on there, you will probably beleive what it says!
Also, winME has the advantage of being 2 years more recent, so it installs some hardware no bother, while win98 just shrugs its shoulders and looks blank.
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« Reply #57 on: 8 March 2002, 20:59 »
Some Windoze borg allways seem to imply how the manual instalation of drivers is no big deal, and only a minor anoyance when compared to the briliance, power, and ease of use that is windowz.... sound's like a right pain in the ass to me!

I rememember back on my old P100 (or was it 150, whatever, it was an old clunker    running 98. For reasons unbeknownst to me (actualy a prety severe crash, corupted some of my files) the driver on my CR-ROM disapered and I had to re-install it. Had to jump thrugh several hoops as listed above before I finaly got it to work again. One major problem was that Windows 98, with all it's drivers, was on CD!!!!

It was great every time I booted up and the Hardware Wizard would detect a new CD-Rom and then pester me for the Windows 98 CD so it could get the driver, of course the damn OS didn't know how to read the CD so it would never move from that screen!!!

How fucking stupid is that!!!!

erg.... anyway, never had a similar problem runing the MacOS ever in my life.
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« Reply #58 on: 11 March 2002, 07:48 »
Err X11 Id curb my toung if I were you. Calum is by no means a Windows loving idiot, and he's quite good at flaming peoples asses off. I'll leve that job to him.

Be more carefull next time.
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« Reply #59 on: 13 March 2002, 21:12 »
i think i will go back to win 3.* (and linux of course)

is there actually any version of windows before version 3.00?? (if there is, maybe its even better, lol)
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