XP Sucks! I made a test!

[Fredledingue]

Hi!
I instaled XP on my new machine but I had to come back to W98 because I couldn't instal the drivers for my Asus 3D/capture board.
Not only: I couldn't instal most of the softwares I'm using all the time.

AND I WAS LUCKY because...if I could instal all these things, I would have stayed with this shit of windows XP.

1/
I Made a test: replace 125000 caracters by another caracter in a text with Word.

With XP it took 24 seconds while on W98 it took 18 seconds. 18 seconds was the theorical duration according to results for the same tests on the older Pentium of the old computer.

My conclusion is that W-XP slow down your processor by 30%!

2/
Great I got a virgin HD of 40Gb (actualy 37, another crooky stuff).
Well after installation of XP and MS office 2000,
2.5Gb were already swalowed. 0.5 Gb were "invisible": the addition of the size of all the files and folders made 2Gb. So were went the 0.5 Gb to? I understand a difference of 100 or 200 Mb but half a Gb!

By installing W98, I freed 1.7 Gb by miracle.

W98+MSoffice2000 totaled less than 880Mb!

3/
When you are used with W98, XP is a nightmare.
Ecxept for the nice color, it's much less user friendly.
It's seems that the XP world is only Web based, Media based and MP3 based. So where are "My Documents"? Where are my .txt files?

Why should I log on to _my_ computer? It's a non sens.

But after trying to find out what are these promising additional options, I found none. All the annoyance from W98 were still there.

An expert told me that XP start faster. Maybe in a matter of seconds. But after removing all the useless stuffs from the start up directory, it started almost as fast as XP. I couldn't notice a difference.

4/More reliable than W98?
He, I didn't have a crash for 3 years with W98.

Conclusion: Beside the "X" in the name, I don't know what's cool with windows XP.

[Fredledingue]

Hehe    ...jtpenrod wrote
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And just how do you figure that? Last November, I installed Mandrake on an old Dell OptiPlex GSa (Pentium II (232MHz), 32MB of RAM, 2.0GB on the HD). It worked just great even though Mandrake recommends a minimum of 64MB of RAM, and with the old sound and video cards as well. The one and only thing that didn't work was the Lucent Technologies WinModem. OTOH, I couldn't install Win XP on that rig even if I had wanted to: not enough memory, not enough HD, not enough processor power. That's rediculous! Furthermore, on my new rig, Mandrake doesn't take up any more room on the HD than Win 95, even though I installed shit-loads of software since Mandrake is the system's main OS, hosting the boot-loader, the web browsers and E-mail clients, and the development tools (FOX, KDevelop, Qt, Python, Perl, and Ruby). And still it isn't anywhere as large as a clean Win XP install would be.
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[Calum]

windows 2000 is crap! use linux!

seriously though, use win98 if you want, but the times are changing and i think any windows user should partition off 2 Gigs of their hard drive (the 2 Gigs you just clawed back from XP perhaps?) and install a linux or a BSD on it. then you can fool about on that too, you don't have to make up yr mind which you like more because you have them both! at no extra cost!

anyway, they put an 'X' in their new OS, which they stole from unix, but sadly they didn't steal anything else! what use is an 'X' without the convictions to back it up?!?!?!?!!?

[gnomez]

quote: Originally posted by Calum: (the 2 Gigs you just clawed back from XP perhaps?)  

It's true!  I don't know WHAT is on there to take up that much but my hard drive with XP on it is over 3 gigabytes full and I hardly have anything installed on it!!  Linux took up a lot for a full installation but it came with like a million programs.  Why does XP need all this space?  Does Bill stash gay porn on my computer's hard drive and turn it into a web server by night or something?

Maybe all the drivers for every device made up until Windows XP is stored on the hard drive and takes up a lot of space.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Garden GNOME:


It's true!  I don't know WHAT is on there to take up that much but my hard drive with XP on it is over 3 gigabytes full and I hardly have anything installed on it!!  Linux took up a lot for a full installation but it came with like a million programs.  Why does XP need all this space?  Does Bill stash gay porn on my computer's hard drive and turn it into a web server by night or something?

Maybe all the drivers for every device made up until Windows XP is stored on the hard drive and takes up a lot of space.

Try disabling System Restore and hibernation support. If you have hibernation enabled it will take up as much hard drive space as you have RAM(like if you have 256MB of RAM it will take 256MB of hard drive space to have hibernation enabled). System Restore can take up to 12% of your hard drive space.

To disable System Restore go to your system properties(right click on My computer and left click properties) and go to the System Restore tab. You should be able to figure out the rest. Heck, while you are in the System properties you may as well disable the Automatic Windows Update too.

To disable Hibernation support go to your display properties(right click any area on the desktop that doesn't have icons and left click properties), go to the Screen Saver tab and left click the Power button then go to the Hibernate tab and uncheck "Enable hibernation".

[Fredledingue]

Why should I use Linux if I'm satisfy with W98?
Ok, it's an anti-MS board but my way to militate is to stay with the good old version and not articipate to the upgrade frenzy.
So Linux comes with millions of programs? What if you don't need them? It's just bloated as it can be.
I didn't try Linux thought I thing it's an excellent thing that it exists.
I won't install it on parrallel because computering is enough complicated like that.

Linux is free? W98 too, when you have good friends...    

The problem is that W98 arrived at a stage of development which is near completion. I won't say perfection but it's hard to add tremendous improvements from W98.
Of course there are improvements to do in the Windows explorer for example but they didn't do them.
But MS is cought in the commercial vicous circle which oblige them to come up with new products and always new products. They can't sell the same version during ten years because there are more and more cracked versions everywhere and poeple won't pay to upgrade. And as there is little to do, they create monsters such as W PX, a pure commercial trap.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Fredledingue:
Why should I use Linux if I'm satisfy with W98?
Ok, it's an anti-MS board but my way to militate is to stay with the good old version and not articipate to the upgrade frenzy.
So Linux comes with millions of programs? What if you don't need them? It's just bloated as it can be.
I didn't try Linux thought I thing it's an excellent thing that it exists.
I won't install it on parrallel because computering is enough complicated like that.

Linux is free? W98 too, when you have good friends...    

The problem is that W98 arrived at a stage of development which is near completion. I won't say perfection but it's hard to add tremendous improvements from W98.
Of course there are improvements to do in the Windows explorer for example but they didn't do them.
But MS is cought in the commercial vicous circle which oblige them to come up with new products and always new products. They can't sell the same version during ten years because there are more and more cracked versions everywhere and poeple won't pay to upgrade. And as there is little to do, they create monsters such as W PX, a pure commercial trap.

When you install linux you dont have to install any programs you dont want, lets see you take out internet explorer from the win98 install. I am running red hat with almost no prgrams install, i installed Lynx and a apche (i dont use it yet). My other computer has littel installed from the CDs i installed the newest version of KDE and Mozilla myself after i installed, i got a few games and development applications from the installation CDs.
Win 98/95 both have memory leaks, which means that you will have to either restart your computer every day or find/write a program that will clear your memory. Most people dont need to leave their computer on all the time, but i do and thats what i disliked about win98. When i installed windows98 i had to spend 3 days finding/downloading software and then i had to get the cracks for it (i dont pay for anything, because i'm a cheap asshole), with red hat, i downloaded the latest version of Mozilla and KDE LEGALLY. (the next oldest version was still on the installation CD though).
I cant think of anything that is easier to do in windows then it is in linux. I find installing things in Linux a bit odd, but its a lot faster than installing in windows (except that spyware install pretty fast). If you must use windows (IE. if you spent $200 on a win only program that is really nice and cant get a refund) then i suggest win2000 which has no memory leaks in it.
I must admit however, that i am going to install win98 on a machine of mine strictly to play Diablo II and starcraft Broodwar on (if they work on 2000 i might get it)

[gnomez]

quote: I must admit however, that i am going to install win98 on a machine of mine strictly to play Diablo II and starcraft Broodwar on (if they work on 2000 i might get it)  

Or you could try WineX if you felt inclined to do so, and have a fast enough computer to compensate for the performance hits you receive when running programs under Wine.  Both of those games work well under WineX, but DII doesn't work on the CVS version because it doesn't have the stupid safedisc crap in it 'cause its proprietary.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Garden GNOME:


Or you could try WineX if you felt inclined to do so, and have a fast enough computer to compensate for the performance hits you receive when running programs under Wine.  Both of those games work well under WineX, but DII doesn't work on the CVS version because it doesn't have the stupid safedisc crap in it 'cause its proprietary.

the old computer i am putting it on can barely run Diablo II multiplayer, i dont think i would be able to run Diablo II through Wine... i could probly play starcraft through it though (maybe i will try and use wine on my main kickass computer, i could then use other computer as a linux webserver.)

[Fredledingue]

Thanks Master of reality

Do you mean by "memory leaks" this problem of computer slowing down afer some operations?
It happens usualy with Windows Explorer. When you move,delete and rename files, the machine slowdown dramaticaly. Sometimes I had to reboot each 10 min when I put my files in order.
Now with 512MB DDR, the problem is not visible anymore, thought might still be there.
Now the main reason why I want to keep W98 is that I run a dozen of programs, which I took years to gather, try, set up and learn. I'm afraid that with another OS, some of them won't work or that I will need to find a new version and maybe pay for it.

How many Gb of disk space, W2000 requires?

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Fredledingue:
Thanks Master of reality

Do you mean by "memory leaks" this problem of computer slowing down afer some operations?
It happens usualy with Windows Explorer. When you move,delete and rename files, the machine slowdown dramaticaly. Sometimes I had to reboot each 10 min when I put my files in order.
Now with 512MB DDR, the problem is not visible anymore, thought might still be there.
Now the main reason why I want to keep W98 is that I run a dozen of programs, which I took years to gather, try, set up and learn. I'm afraid that with another OS, some of them won't work or that I will need to find a new version and maybe pay for it.

How many Gb of disk space, W2000 requires?

you could always try to use Wine (it runs windows programs in linux) i am going to try to use it to play Starcraft and Diablo II in linux, and if that doesnt work I have a spare computer to put windows on  

I dunno how much space win2000 takes (its probably too much) it should be less than 1 GB

[Calum]

EXACTLY.

linux is tiny, as we know, it's about 26 Mb by itself. AND it can run with a lot less RAM than windows can et cetera etcetera.

If you want a lot of programs and stuff, then you have to have the disk space to install them. I can seriously say that on my hard drive, which is 12 Gb, linux looks set to NEVER need more than 2Gb. With the windows side i have had to constantly increase the size of the windows partition, to accomodate the programs i want to install. I have a dozen or maybe a bit more applications installed in windows and it's up to 4 Gb. This does NOT include the my documents folder or any files i may be storing, they are on a separate partition again. The 2Gb linux side on the other hand has many full applications i still haven't discovered yet, and much free space for any more i may find and download.

FINALLY, to that guy a few posts before who's happy with win98 and who thinks dual booting would be difficult, you say in the very next sentence that you never bothered to try it so why are you criticising? you imply that we should not be telling you to change to linux, but at least we have tried windows ourselves and come to a rational conclusion. You however are not only willing to cry down something you have never tried, but you make up little storied about how it will be too difficult for you anyway!
Horsewallop. I don't care if you use windows 98 exclusively, but at least be honest about your reasons!

[Fredledingue]

But I didn't criticize Linux.

What? Are you angry because I'm satisfied with W98 and don't try Linux?

The first reason is that it takes time to try these OS (and all the programs with them).
And the second reason, is that I don't want to partition for two OS.

Now I never said I'll never try Linux.

[voidmain]

No, I think they are just trying to accomplish the entire point of this web site. To eradicate M$. Anyone who comes here looking for help with Windows should look elseware. There are plenty of sites out there for that. Now, if they are looking for an alternative to Windows then this is the right place.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Fredledingue:
But I didn't criticize Linux.

What? Are you angry because I'm satisfied with W98 and don't try Linux?

The first reason is that it takes time to try these OS (and all the programs with them).
And the second reason, is that I don't want to partition for two OS.

Now I never said I'll never try Linux.

i still dont know how it is possible to be satisfied with win98, with all those fucking memory leaks, i usesd it for a few years, but i hated it all the time.