Why not open source old stuff?

[restin256]

But once we intergrated APIs that let multiple window managers run, as well as windows programs run natively, it'd be a pretty fun project.

[hm_murdock]

... window managers.

you must be joking me.

seriously, say you're shitting me. IS THAT THE ONLY THING ON PEOPLES MINDS!?!!?! WINDOW MANAGERS?

window managers. What's wrong with having a system-default appearance? tell me, what's wrong with CONSISTENCY?

you do realize that having the ability to change window managers that alter the way you interact with windows BREAKS RULE #1 OF UI DESIGN?

What is rule 1?

CONSISTENCY CONSISTENCY CONSISTENCY CONSISTENCY

[skyman8081]

Jimmy has a point. OSS people know nothing about UI design.  there should not be 2 apps that look COMPLETELY different because on UI toolkit was made because the existing one was "not free enough".

Cheapskates.

Grow some balls and suck it up.

Linux will not make it on the desktop as is.

Why don't companies OSS old stuff.

do you think they write the whole thing themselves.  you thing they studied the hardware architecture for all those devices writing all that stuff, not all the code in software was written by that company themselves, who might not want the sorce code of their apps released for all the world to see.  what about the code with trade-secret protection. or a competing product.  there are way to many legel reasons to keep the code to themselves then deal with the messy legal wranglings of OSSing old stuff.

grow some balls and accept that not all software will be the way YOU want it to be.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
Jimmy has a point. OSS people know nothing about UI design.  there should not be 2 apps that look COMPLETELY different because on UI toolkit was made because the existing one was "not free enough".

When GTK was created, QT wasn't free at all.

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
do you think they write the whole thing themselves.  you thing they studied the hardware architecture for all those devices writing all that stuff,

Yes, "closed source" works like that.

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:

not all the code in software was written by that company themselves, who might not want the sorce code of their apps released for all the world to see.  what about the code with trade-secret protection. or a competing product.  there are way to many legel reasons to keep the code to themselves then deal with the messy legal wranglings of OSSing old stuff.

Sounds like an argument to make everything OSS.
Competition should be about the best "end-product"
and not about who owns the most patents.

PS: If companies want to make "Closed Source", let them.
But the result is always the same: CRAP.
I don't like closed-crap cause it all sucks, and if you didn't know that already, your using the wrong apps(or OS).

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[skyman8081]

quote:Originally posted by insomnia:


I don't like closed-[source] cause it all sucks, and if you didn't know that already, your using the wrong apps(or OS).

and people wonder why linux doesn't take off better.

the availiblity of source code has no effect of the quality of the app.

OSS apps can suck. and Closed Source apps can be good. "OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!! YOU USE TEH CLOSED-SOURCE APPS!!! YOUR GETTING LOCKED IN RIGHT NOW!!! SEE?!"

BS.

You can get locked into open-source just as much as Closed Source.  have you even heard of a propgram called vi?  it uses a poor user-interface, provides to feedback about what it is doing or what state it is in.  yet people STILL flock to it with it was writted by God Himself, because they are too afraid to switch to something with a better user interface. that has more feedback or *GASP* can tell the user what the app is doing!

Get A Clue.

Stop making blind judgements on a software application, JUST because of a development method and style, it is childish, stupid, and makes the linux "community" look bad.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:


and people wonder why linux doesn't take off better.

Are you saying Linux was better of without GNU and OSS?


 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
the availiblity of source code has no effect of the quality of the app.

?!?!?!

You clearly don't undertand how a compiler works!
 :eek:    :confused:    :eek:  

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
OSS apps can suck. and Closed Source apps can be good.

Possible, but unlikely.

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
"OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!! YOU USE TEH CLOSED-SOURCE APPS!!! YOUR GETTING LOCKED IN RIGHT NOW!!! SEE?!"

?

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
You can get locked into open-source just as much as Closed Source.

?

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
have you even heard of a propgram called vi?  it uses a poor user-interface, provides to feedback about what it is doing or what state it is in.  yet people STILL flock to it with it was writted by God Himself, because they are too afraid to switch to something with a better user interface. that has more feedback or *GASP* can tell the user what the app is doing!

Is this a joke?
Their are more editors for Linux than for any other OS. Vi is SMALL(fits on a rescue floppy) and still powerfull.


 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:

Get A Clue.

Get some sources.

 

quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
Stop making blind judgements on a software application, JUST because of a development method and style, it is childish, stupid, and makes the linux "community" look bad.

You just made yourself look bad.

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[hm_murdock]

All closed-source sucks, eh?

Wow. This is news to me. Imagine that, I've not had one major trouble with Mac OS X. Same with Mac OS 9, which is EVEN MORE CLOSED.

sorry, buddy. your claim doesn't hold water

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:
All closed-source sucks, eh?

No.
But they would be better with their sources.

 

[hm_murdock]

[hm_murdock]

insomnia,

as a fellow asshole, I suggest you give up now

the best way to win an argument is to be right.

however, you're wrong.

please note that this is the truth

[hm_murdock]

quote:?

he's insulting you, insomnia.

he's making fun of your CLOSED SOURCE LOCKS YOU IN arguments that are getting so goddamn old.

rhetoric

that's what OSS is becoming to me... RHETORIC AND DOGMA

the OSS community at large doesn't do jack shit. I've not seen quality come out of it that often.

Gnome is very tight, very high quality. KDE is so-so.

then there's apps

GODDAMN WHAT A HODGEPODGE

see, insomnia, you're what we call brainwashed. you talk about "MS sheep" and then you come along with your OSS sheep attitude.

I've got an idea, how about you fuck off you childish little asshat

computers are computers, stop foaming at the mouth over the rhetoric you've learned. go back to your Linux World mags and jack off at pics of Tux.

We've got better things to do than be in the presence of whiny little bitches like you.

[hm_murdock]

btw.

I'm right and you're wrong

sucker

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:
insomnia,

as a fellow asshole, I suggest you give up now

the best way to win an argument is to be right.

however, you're wrong.

please note that this is the truth

About Free Software

Free software is a matter of freedom: people should be free to use software in all the ways that are socially useful. Software differs from material objects--such as chairs, sandwiches, and gasoline--in that it can be copied and changed much more easily. These possibilities make software as useful as it is; we believe software users should be able to make use of them.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html

Are they all wrong?

[hm_murdock]

that in no way supports your argument.

you purport that "closed source" software is ALWAYS of poor quality. this is what your words have communicated to me.

then you come and talk about freedom.

people should be free to use what the fuck they want, but like so many other dorks, you spew a rhetoric against "closed source, proprietary" software.

you wish to REMOVE THE CHOICE

this goes against your very platform of freedom.

now, I suggest that you get your shit in order before you come spouting bullshit again, oh and, insomnia...


Fuck you, Assclown!

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: jimmyjames.sytes.net ]

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:


he's insulting you, insomnia.

He failed.
Now go play some games on your kiddy-box(no offence for other OS X users).

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]