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« Reply #15 on: 6 August 2002, 17:05 »
One more thing, I know how to delete paritions(fdisk), but how do you create them? Does fdisk destroy as well as create?
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« Reply #16 on: 6 August 2002, 18:51 »
Did I read that right. Root password makes you invulnerable to hack....NO. Root password gives you access to your system at root level, which means your system is totally open. At that level you can do anything to your system, and so can any hacker. Don't ever log in as root and be connected to the net at the same time, it makes you very vulnerable.

You will need access to root to be able to set up user permissions, allow new programs on your system, and make all those configuration changes. I don't think it will NOT let you set a password. You log in as a normal user yourself, so that you can play with your system, but it is hard to do damage that way, as the system will ask you for root access first.

And good luck, it's piece of piss with Mandrake.

And Fdisk will create partitions. But use the built in Diskdrake that comes with Mandrake, it's much more simple and graphical too, which might be easier on you, and you can resize without difficulty, I don;t think Fdsik is very friendly on that score (but it's been a while, and that was for O/S 2).

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« Reply #17 on: 6 August 2002, 23:24 »
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Originally posted by Tonerman:
"Select to instal LILO on you boot disk/partition (the C: drive)."

Wouldn't GRUB be more helpful with a dual boot system?  Unless you have winblows configed in some way I never figured out windows will always boot automatically... it's just pushy like that... I never mix the the Linux OS and the winblows trash heap myself.. but my friend did and used LILO and has to use a boot disk for Linux to boot and not Winblows...



LILO, GRGRUB - to each their own (part of the beauty of Linux). I have never had a problem with LILO - have set up to dual and tri boot. Not sure why your friend can't do it.

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« Reply #18 on: 6 August 2002, 23:40 »
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1)Yes, and XP(late beta, no MS phone home to install BS).
2)Yes and no. It sucks somewhat, although it doesn't crash every 5, 10, or even 20 minutes. However it seems quite bloated and in-efficient.
3)Well, this helps SAFELY clean out the closets of stuff you can't safely clean or you didn't know needed to be cleaned. This time im gonna try and take better care of it. BTW, XP is being gay.
4)I have two harddrives, 8 gig and 40 gig. 8 gig is C and E. 40 gig is D. XP is on D, Wind0ze 98 is on C.
 
OK, this info helps. Can you partition your 8G drive into C: and D:, install Win98 on C: and XP on D:? That would leave the 40G drive for Linux.

Or, partition the 40G drive (C: and D  and install Win98 and XP and leave the full 8G drive for Linux.

Either way, this one will be really easy to do.
 
 
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No, mine has no partition manager.
 
 
Great ... pass GO and collect $200.
 
 
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Yah but I like clean slates.
 
You da man - best and easiest.
 
 
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Awww man, do I have to get PM? Can't I just use built in commands?
 
You didn't follow direction in my first post. I recommended PM only if you wanted to KEEP your current installations. If wiping and reloading the instructions said "Go down to the line 'Next, get a soda or cup of coffee...' <<  In your case, doing a fresh Win install, you need to wipe the current and reinstall - no need for PM.
 
 
quote:Enjoy your soda or cup of coffee
Coffee/soda r0x0rs!
 
Black, 135 degrree F, 22 oz minimum.
 
I'll address your other questions as I read them.
 
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« Reply #19 on: 6 August 2002, 23:43 »
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Originally posted by lazygamer:


Yes, well im wondering that too. Can a non-wind0ze boot manager shitkick wind0ze and tell it who's boss?   :D  

I think my dual boot option was put on by XP. Although I definitly do not want to have to use a bootdisk just to get into Linux.



With Win98 or W2k LILO works grgeat (for me) as it tells Win who is boss. Not sure about XP so I can't help on this one.

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« Reply #20 on: 7 August 2002, 02:06 »
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
One more thing, I know how to delete paritions(fdisk), but how do you create them? Does fdisk destroy as well as create?


First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!
 
First task is to plan, then gather tools and last to execute.
 
Plan
You need to decide how you want to use the resources (hard drive space). What do you want to do with Windows and with Linux. If Win98 is just to run games from CD or the web, you don't need much space - no more than 500MB, certainly not more than 1G (enough to load Office and a couple other large packages). Ditto for XP but I don't know two things about XP: 1) install space required, and 2) how to set up trti-boot (Win98-XP-Linux) with LILO or GRUB. My guess is XP plus programs will need about 2-3GB.
 
I would put Win98 and XP on VFAT partitions to make future life easier (all three OSes will "see" all of the partitions). I suggest another VFAT partition (E  of 10GB (or more) that will become your "common" drive to hold your DATA files - those files you create - which would be accessable to all OSes. This is what I have done for years and it has never failed me.
 
OK, lets see - we have a 1G (C  for Win98, a 3G (D  for XP and a 10G (E  data storage partition. To do that, I would use the 40G drive as MASTER, partitioned per above. The 8G drive, set as SLAVE, will hold the core Linux OS and the balance of the unassigned space on the MASTER drive could hold the Linux "/home" partition (this is similar to the Windows MyDocuments and ProgramFiles directories) - lots of room to grow there!
 
Write down your final partition plan. Remember that DOS (Windows) "sees" physical drive("0") (the MASTER in a multi-drive system) as the bootable device and assigns "C:" to the first partition on that physical drive (the partition is assigned to DOS and made active). If the second physical drive ("1") is assigned to DOS, it automatically becomes "D:". This does NOT happen if the second physical drive is not assigned to DOS (this would be the case in my suggested arrangement).
 
Per the arrangement above, you would have -
MASTER (40G, physical drive "0") which is partitioned into:
Primary Partition - C: of 1GB
Extended DOS Partition - 13GB
Logical Drives in Extended partition - D: of 3GB, E: of 10GB  
[logical drives are made in the extended partition, in this case (3GB-D  + (10GB-E  = (13GB extended partition)]
Unassigned - balance of drive (about 25GB)
 
SLAVE (8G, physical drive "1"): No DOS partitions
 
THESE ARE JUST IDEAS - everyone will have their own way of doing things. Obviously the numbers can be adjusted to suit your needs (such as a 20GB "E:" partition for MP3 files).
 
 
Gather Tools
You will need to get someone else to help you with multiple boot with XP. Get whatever tools they recommend.
 
You will need a Win98 boot floppy disk with FDISK and FORMAT copied to it. Make the bootable disk using MyComputer > [A:] > File > Format > Type=FULL, Optios=CopySystemFiles, START. Using Windows Explore, navigate to "C:\Windows\Command" directory and copy FDISK.EXE and FORMAT.EXE to the bootable floppy disk you just made.
 
You will need the partition list made during planning.
 
You will need the hard drvie manufacturers instructions (to set jumpers).
 
You will need hand tools such as screw driver(s), flashlight, etc. (to remove and re-install HDs).
 
You will need all software to be installed, plus the "key" or serial number, such as:
Win98 (assumes a bootable CD version)
WinXP
Anti-virus program(s)
Productivity programs
Games/fun programs
Linux
 
 
Execute - just do it
Unplug your computer from AC and external devices.
 
Put both hdds onto IDE channel 0 (same cable of the first IDE controller channel). Change around the hard drives so the 40GB is MASTER and the 8GB is SLAVE. This requires setting jumper blocks on the drives so you will need the manufacturers instructions. Replace panels, cables, external devices and plug into AC.
 
Start computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to FLOPPY. SAVE changes to BIOS and EXIT.
 
Boot to the bootable floppy disk you made and run FDISK.
 
FDISK (defaults to the MASTER hdd)
...enable large disk support? = "Y"
 
Delete all logical drives, extended partition and primary partition (you said you know how to do this).
 
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change to the other physical drive (I think it's option "5" - going from memory here). Repeat deletions from the second drive.
 
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change back to the first drive (the MASTER 40G drive).
 
You have now dedleted ALL the stuff from both hard drives. Time to create new DOS drives.
 
Select "1. Create DOS Partition..."
Select "1. Create Primary DOS Partition"
Change the size to "1000"
ENTER
 
ESC back one screen
Select "2. Create Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "13000"
ENTER
 
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "3000"
ENTER
 
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drives(s)..."
Change the size to "10000"
Enter
ESC until you exit FDISK and return to the "A:\>" prompt
 
 
Reboot the computer (leave floppy disk in drive).
FORMAT drives C:, D:, and E:
Remove the floppy disk.
 
Insert Win98 setup CD-ROM into drive.
 
IMPORTANT: the next section assumes you will install Win98 from a bootable CD.
Reboot the computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to CD-ROM and the  second device to HDD-0. SAVE changes and EXIT.
 
Computer should boot into Win98 setup CD. Install Win98 and secondary programs per their instructions.  
 
Follow instrtuctions to load XP per help from someone else.
 
Follow instructions to load Linux.
 
Good luck and happy computing.
 
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« Reply #21 on: 7 August 2002, 02:09 »
Sorry - I forgot to turn off the darn smilie faces.

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« Reply #22 on: 7 August 2002, 02:25 »
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Originally posted by linux-newbie:
First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!



Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself.  However the data will be useless without that partition boundry (or special software and knowlege).  You can in fact delete a partition, then if you recreate the partition in exactly the same place of exactly the same size your data will still be there just as if you did nothing at all. If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition.

Of course this is just a technicality. Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...
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« Reply #23 on: 7 August 2002, 05:41 »
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Originally posted by VoidMain:


Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself.   If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition....Of course this is just a technicality.

Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...



I tried to keep the post reasonably "low tech" as many people don't really need or want that level of detail...they just want to get a task done.

Thanks for the info about fixing the smileys - I think I'll leave them so I don't look like a geek (just a nerd).

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« Reply #24 on: 7 August 2002, 06:11 »
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OK, this info helps. Can you partition your 8G drive into C: and D:, install Win98 on C: and XP on D:? That would leave the 40G drive for Linux.


Oh that makes sense alright, but this Linux is meant to be a proving ground. If I can prove to ma "Look ma Linux r0x0rs!", then I can probably get the 40 gig for Linux... or not.  ;)

 
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Or, partition the 40G drive (C: and D  and install Win98 and XP and leave the full 8G drive for Linux.


I believe my brother mentioned that he feels you can't mix win XP and Win98 on the same harddrive. Of course im not sure if that was refering to the same partition or not. But simple is best, and that's what this has to be.

My plan was to keep the 40gig for XP, but mainly a repository for big shit(read rograms) in XP, W98 and Linux. I mean it is possible for Linux to access my big D drive(also note that my 40 gig D drive would not need to be formatted at all, it can just stay as is. Although later I want to format it and re-install X-pee).

Holy shit Linux newbie your scaring me, fuck I'd quote you but Wind0ze is being gay and not copying text right. I mean im very uncomfortable that even my help would understand what you just said or just say "nah let's do it this way".  

Isn't it just as simple as

A)Boot from windows 95 CD
A)Format 8 gig(C and E)
B)create a giant 8 gig C partition
C)Install wind0ze onto that partition
D)Boot from Mandrake CD
E)Mandrake adjusts wind0ze C partition and installs it self in the new partition
F)And where outta here  ;)

I mean shit like motherboard jumper adjusting, wierd partitions etc. ARRRRGH! I want this to be simple dude, much easier to do, less paranoia about deadends(given by a super paranoid father and a worrywart mother). In fact so easy that from A-F I may not even need more technically advanced help.  ;)

Besides, Linux gets this small little cubby hole to prove itself to an evil, accursed blood line of wind0ze worshipers(well not exactly "worship", more like "accept").

PS:I have windows 98 UPGRADE which is always installed over Windows 95.
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« Reply #25 on: 8 August 2002, 11:17 »
Since I didn't see anyone address it..

KDE Vs Gnome..

I use Gnome Red Hat 7.2

but I installed KDE cause it has some simple games I like.. and the dialer.. anyhoo.. if you have the space.... install both.. and the switcher prog.. than you can go back and forth..

but.. KDE is more... Windowesk. If you have trouble going from windows to Linux.. use KDE for a lil while...

But Gnome is good in the end.

But, either way.. learn to run things from the terminal... It may save you ass...

killall -KILL wine  
hehe, I screwd up and froze my screen over with the Wine screeen for StarCraft... a lil alt tabing and that command

but yeah, if you install GRUB and don't do the graphical start up. or set Xwindows to start in graphical mode automatically...

after you log in.. StartX will obviously start X...

other obvious ones are..

reboot
halt(shuts the system down)
logout or exit. these will log you out if you are outside of X. so you can come in under a different username.. say... my personal one.. instead of root.

another useful one it. linuxconf And Xconfigurator(check my spelling someone, I suck at it..)

netconf sndconfig mouseconfig  these a simple config programs.. some may be graphical.. some text.. eitherway, useful.

*racks brain for useful simple command*

gtop or ktop depending wether KDE or GNOME is installed.. let's you see everything that is running. and kill anything you need to.

gedit nice simple text editor.

mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
will mount the floppy drive

mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mounts the cdrom

umount /mnt/floppy
umount /mnt/cdrom
the unmounting stuff

These are just some of the random commands that are useful. to me at least. look for more online for anything you need.

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« Reply #26 on: 8 August 2002, 19:57 »
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But before installing Mandrake, it is strongly recommended that you run Disk Defragmenter and ScanDisk from within Windows on the drive.


Ok suppose I installed Windows 98 onto a freshly formatted harddrive, isn't a format every bit as good as a defrag and scandisk?
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« Reply #27 on: 8 August 2002, 20:44 »
quote:
Originally posted by lazygamer:


I believe my brother mentioned that he feels you can't mix win XP and Win98 on the same harddrive. Of course im not sure if that was refering to the same partition or not. But simple is best, and that's what this has to be.



OK - that answers one question. I agree that for this case simple is best (see rest of reply).

 
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My plan was to keep the 40gig for XP, but mainly a repository for big shit(read :p rograms) in XP, W98 and Linux. I mean it is possible for Linux to access my big D drive(also note that my 40 gig D drive would not need to be formatted at all, it can just stay as is. Although later I want to format it and re-install X-pee).



Yes.

 
quote:

Holy shit Linux newbie your scaring me, fuck I'd quote you but Wind0ze is being gay and not copying text right. I mean im very uncomfortable that even my help would understand what you just said or just say "nah let's do it this way".  :)

Isn't it just as simple as

A)Boot from windows 95 CD
A)Format 8 gig(C and E)
B)create a giant 8 gig C partition
C)Install wind0ze onto that partition
D)Boot from Mandrake CD
E)Mandrake adjusts wind0ze C partition and installs it self in the new partition
F)And where outta here  ;)




There is one major addition to your post - you want Linux to be a "test" - to try out. This changes how I would reply.

First, simple is better. Given your findings regarding XP, I would do the Linux install and BOOT TO A LINUX FLOPPY. No mess, no fuss, no boot manager problems. After all, you just want the ability to play with and learn Linux, right? Then do the install and boot to floppy.

Follow your ideas (above) with one small revision. In step "A)Format 8 gig(C and E)" you should run FDISK.Make a 1GB to 3GBB primary partition (C:) and deelete your current E: partition (that will be the free space for Linux). The complete your steps as you outlined but during the Linux install, select to boot from a floppy. Don't forget to change your BIOS setup at the end so FIRST BOOT DEVICE=FLOPPY and SECOND BOOT DEVICE=HDD 0.


 
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I mean shit like motherboard jumper adjusting, wierd partitions etc. ARRRRGH! I want this to be simple dude, much easier to do, less paranoia about deadends(given by a super paranoid father and a worrywart mother).



Uhmm, this is simple - it is as basic as it can get when opening the hood for a DOS-computer.

 
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Besides, Linux gets this small little cubby hole to prove itself to an evil, accursed blood line of wind0ze worshipers(well not exactly "worship", more like "accept").



That is the key statement to your entire thread. Had you said that in your first post this thread would have ended long ago.


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« Reply #28 on: 8 August 2002, 22:54 »
Much thanks Linux newbie. Well when I first came here I was just thinking "try it out", but now I realize Linux is my future. The people here have done such a good job convincing me of Linux's power and MS's stupidity that I honestly could not happily just go back to windows like before.

I know in my heart the relationship with windows has to end. In all reality, im 100% positive Linux is my future and I'll love it far more then I do windows(which I don't love), call it blind faith if you will. In my mind, "trying it out" is really just an excuse to get the damn thing on my HD. Once I prove how l33t it is to my family(luckily I have a family who is indiffernt to windows BS and can be swayed in the other direction with sufficient proof), it's getting more then a cubby hole.  
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« Reply #29 on: 8 August 2002, 23:34 »
well, if only my dad would belive in linux also. but i could try even harder.
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