Microsoft Settlement

[Kintaro]

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2625

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

I was just about to post this as well.

Anyway here are some more links.

 http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5408913%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html" target="_blank">http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,72
04,5408913%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27895.html
 http://news.com.com/2009-1001-964255.html?tag=fd_lede1_hed


Kinda shitty if you asked me, makes you wonder if the judge is corrupt or just totally fucking inept.

After all these years it might end this way, what a waste, yet it IS proven they are a monopoly, how does that work.  You are proven guilty but get off scott free.

I hope the 9 states appeal and the EU commission make a better thing out of it.  At least in hte EU the public are allowed their say.

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[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum & his insidious little spies ]

[Kintaro]

Okay, lets start a petition... We will talk to quirk about hosting a Submission form with PHP. Him or M0R!

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

Petition for what?

BTW another important link:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27896.html

[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: Crunchy(Cracked)Butter ]

[lazygamer]

So why did they back down? Did they not visit www.kmfms.com or something? How the fuck can you back down when you learn the true face of Microsoft?

Errr anyone want to tell me:

1)Wasn't this settled years ago?
2)What was the original "1337" punishment sought by the DOJ?
3)What is the neutered one?
4)Why did they back down?
5)This shit is now over right?

[TheQuirk]

quote:Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Petition for what?

Yeah, what he said.

[pkd_lives]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:


1)Wasn't this settled years ago?
2)What was the original "1337" punishment sought by the DOJ?
3)What is the neutered one?
4)Why did they back down?
5)This shit is now over right?

1. Yes but the original settlement was appealed.

2. Various settlements were included, which basically stopped M$ from preventing any PC seller from removing M$ packages. And it broke M$ into 2 seperate companies - However you look at the original settlement it was crap. It was appealed by M$ and they won, so the nine states appealed the revised edition.

3. The decison is now that M$ cannot control what companies software the OEMs put on the M$ OS on the PC, M$ have to make parts of their API available earlier than expected. M$ now totally control WHO oversees their fulfilment of the settlement - it is required to be someone M$ will choose to employ.

4. Money is my guess.

5. NO. The nine states can and should appeal. There is the European cases still pending, which could see a totally different outcome, and could last years. And of course M$ have to follow the settlement. And of course there could be an entirely new case brought against M$, which could start it all again. If the information given under testemony was found inaccurate say that it is possible to remove IE then we could have a whole new trial.

[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]

[voidmain]

It doesn't matter what happens to them in the courts. Microsoft will be the cause of their own demise. It's inevitable with the path that they are on. I would rather see them go down on their own.

[pkd_lives]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
It doesn't matter what happens to them in the courts. Microsoft will be the cause of their own demise. It's inevitable with the path that they are on. I would rather see them go down on their own.

You are right, I feel.

Meanwhile more and more companies are being chewed up by M$, and it gets harder and harder to compete because there does not exist anything like a level playing field, and the courts are there to prevent this sort of thing, yet their incompetence to produce a result that in anyway alters the game is an insult to the Justice system, and means even fewer competitors because they now know that the courts will NOT protect them.

[voidmain]

Yeah, but the trouble with litigation is it's too slow. Microsoft is so sneaky they are always one step ahead of tbe people bringing suit against them. By the time any punishment were to be handed out for a previous injustice it would no longer be a factor.

Luckily Microsoft is good at pissing people off. As soon as enough people are pissed off the flood gates will open and life will be good.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

quote:Originally posted by pkd:

There is the European cases still pending, which could see a totally different outcome, and could last years.

The european case will only dictate how they can sell their software it a favourable outcome is reached.  But i do have high hopes, they just sued NINTENDO for

[Kintaro]

quote:Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Petition for what?

BTW another important link:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27896.html

[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: Crunchy(Cracked)Butter ]

Basicly a petition to keep Microsoft in the Courtroom, until they become another AT/T, IBM.

[Kintaro]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
It doesn't matter what happens to them in the courts. Microsoft will be the cause of their own demise. It's inevitable with the path that they are on. I would rather see them go down on their own.

Yea thats how i feel about it. TCP/A and Palldium will kill Microsoft off. Linux is moving into the Desktop faster then it was moving into the Server share 2 years ago. I also hear rumors that Red-Hats next release will be able to run Windows apps easiliy. Im not sure about this but it could be.

[TheQuirk]

That's a dirty lie: Microsoft doesn't release the whole API.

[Bazoukas]

What a bunch of Bullshit

"Perhaps the most controversial remedy proposed by the states envisioned Microsoft being forced to sell an "unbound" version of Windows -- one free from additional programs such as a browser and media player that are referred to as middleware -- so that PC makers and end users could replace those programs with ones from competitors.

In a dramatic reaction to that proposal, Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates testified in April that the company would be forced to pull Windows from the market if that particular remedy was accepted by Kollar-Kotelly

Removing such middleware from Windows would cripple other aspects of the operating system, such as the Help program, Gates told the court. Because the proposed remedy said an unbound version of Windows must be a functional equivalent to the full operating system, minus the removed middleware, Gates said there would be no way Microsoft could satisfy the provision -- forcing the company to stop selling Windows to avoid violating the remedy. "


  First of all Why the fuck a browser and a Media player MUST be so tightly tied up with the OS? And for real, who the fuck thinks that their Help system is helpfull?  All the times that I clicked on Help, I just got some stupid messages.


    A slap on the hand. Thats what they got.
Yet once again this year, big Companies in America have their way.
  Yet one more time those who generate big money get away with everything, while our prisons are over-populated with people that got the slammer for just smoking weed.  Way to go!!!!!!


    Capitalism will get rid of this fucking Virus though called Microsoft, simply because Linux is hammering down on them fast and hard. And Microsoft wont get eliminated from the "top ranks" simply because the top ranks are fucking corrupt,  but from the bottom ranks. From the consumer.

  They are abusing their power and that will bite them in their ass.

 Law and Power for the people by the people you fucking pricks that live "upstairs" and dont know your head from your ass.