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« Reply #15 on: 6 April 2004, 20:42 »
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DukePuke: "I can use vi, and you try to learn it and still dont understant, lol, i am above you, you are n00b"


Not really. I just want you to use vi too, it saves time, and it's REALLY simple. It just doesn't use shortcut keys.

Really, it's this simple:
Edit mode (you can edit text now): Insert key
Non-edit mode (you can't edit text now, you must enter commands): Esc key
Useful commands to use in non-edit mode:
:w Save the file.
:q Quit vi.

There, that's the easiest explanation I can give you.
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« Reply #16 on: 6 April 2004, 21:24 »
thats ok, understood. It works, but it is still complex. If you edited file, wrote some shit, etc, and you wanna quit without saving. I press Esc to enter "non-edit mode" and :q, but lol it prompts its not saved. Ok, i dont need to save it! i do it again, the same prompt appears. I press CTRL-C even this dont work. So : to make exit from vi, you MUST to save work. No matter what you written in there, you must save before exit

btw i understand this situation, i believe vi is old unix tool, and I am just familiar with windoze notepad (lol) so I just preparing for nix systems

Thanks
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« Reply #17 on: 6 April 2004, 21:36 »
:q! Exit without Saving.
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« Reply #18 on: 6 April 2004, 22:08 »
another overlooked one is :w! for overwriting read-only files.  vi can be tricky to learn, but IMO there's nothing comparable for editing purposes...

[ April 06, 2004: Message edited by: Rio ]

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« Reply #19 on: 6 April 2004, 22:34 »
well, this makes me to think about vi. Somebody mentioned vi and emacs is best editors, curious to know what emacs can offer on editors table. btw name looks apple'ish
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« Reply #20 on: 6 April 2004, 22:36 »
hehe I like that it shows your position of percentage value in file, but lol how to quit it? btw every nix editor has its own way how to quit to the system.
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« Reply #21 on: 7 April 2004, 03:34 »
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
btw name looks apple'ish

 
It's not.
Emacs is one of GNU's biggest projects and mostly developed by R. Stallman himself.
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« Reply #22 on: 7 April 2004, 03:49 »
don't think that emacs can get away so easiliyit is just as non-intuitive as vi.

they are both equally bad.

EMACS (Escape Meta Alt Control Shift) is just plain bloated, and requires a bunch of zany keyboard shortcuts to use.

I honestly prefer GEdit on a linux system and nano/pico if I am on a console only system.

it is a better editor, and more intuitive, seeing as applications should be built with the end user in mind, and not the machine.
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« Reply #23 on: 7 April 2004, 03:50 »
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simplicity is much more important.


INCORRECT

I could make an app that has one command to do one thing, but uses a simple prompt

Or I could make an app that lets you choose between two commands. The first one is the same command as the first app, the other command is "quit".

The second is better. Why? Discoverability.

If vi is so "simple", then why can't people just sit down and use it? Why do I find myself always reaching for emacs if I'm in the terminal, or TextEdit if I'm not?

In the end, it's all preference. I abhor uglyfied cli-based pseudo apps like that. Shortcut keys are better. GUI is better still.

CLI works for simple command-like apps. Things like the destitutely bad PlayFair that I downloaded today.

Get this... you download it and build it on Mac OS X... the home platform of iTunes... AND IT CAN'T GET YOUR iTUNES KEY TO DECODE AACS. You have to have an iPod.

the only platform this *NIX app works right on is... Windows.

WHAT.

THE.

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« Reply #24 on: 7 April 2004, 04:47 »
I like pico for console, KEdit/GEdit for simple GUI and Kate for coding.
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« Reply #25 on: 7 April 2004, 05:41 »
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:


INCORRECT

I could make an app that has one command to do one thing, but uses a simple prompt

Or I could make an app that lets you choose between two commands. The first one is the same command as the first app, the other command is "quit".

The second is better. Why? Discoverability.

If vi is so "simple", then why can't people just sit down and use it? Why do I find myself always reaching for emacs if I'm in the terminal, or TextEdit if I'm not?

In the end, it's all preference. I abhor uglyfied cli-based pseudo apps like that. Shortcut keys are better. GUI is better still.

CLI works for simple command-like apps. Things like the destitutely bad PlayFair that I downloaded today.

Get this... you download it and build it on Mac OS X... the home platform of iTunes... AND IT CAN'T GET YOUR iTUNES KEY TO DECODE AACS. You have to have an iPod.

the only platform this *NIX app works right on is... Windows.

WHAT.

THE.

FUCK.



Sorry Jimmy, But you a 100% wrong about emacs and vi.
An editor simply has to do a certain job.
Only Emacs an Vim can do everything.
That is more important than it's UI.

PS: Their's nothing wrong with their look anyway...
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« Reply #26 on: 7 April 2004, 06:25 »
their look?? I thought they looked like some words

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Form is equal to function. Never above or below in priority.
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« Reply #27 on: 7 April 2004, 06:32 »
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
their look?? I thought they looked like some words

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Form is equal to function. Never above or below in priority.[/b]



Yes.
So what's wrong with it?
...it is about file editing...
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« Reply #28 on: 7 April 2004, 06:45 »


Real Men use Real Editors.
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« Reply #29 on: 7 April 2004, 06:55 »
I just remembered another real text editor

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