The revolution begins...

[hm_murdock]

Sat, July 17, 2004

Will Lahti, lead developer of Komodo and GenSTEP put the stamp of approval on Komodo Core AP1 build 19. Build 19 is the first milestone. Within days, Komodo will be available to try, and soon after, the OS that you've all been waiting for... GenSTEP will first see the light of day as GenSTEP Alpha One.

Every journey begins with a single step, my friends. We've done it. After being told for a year that the ideas were too far-fetched, too much... too different... we did it. I'd like to thank everybody that's supported us so far, and ask that you stay behind us. The best is yet to come, friends... I promise.

One small STEP is one giant leap.

GenSTEP from Komodoware. Welcome to the dawn of a new Generation.

PS We're still looking for help. If anybody wants to actually do something and join in the revolution, you're invited to do so. I hear a lot of tall talk around here about how much you all want to beat MS and kill Windows. This is your chance. Help us... and make the dream come true.

http://komodolinux.org

[hm_murdock]

The beginnings of GenSTEP: GNUstep on Komodo!
 http://komodolinux.org/screenshots/gnustep-murdock.png

Viewing /
 http://komodolinux.org/screenshots/desktop-konqi1.png
Those are not symlinks to hidden folders. Those are real folders. /usr /bin, and all the others are gone.

The /Software folder
 http://komodolinux.org/screenshots/desktop-software.png
Each icon is a bundle. Much like bundles from OPENSTEP and Mac OS X, they are complete folder trees that are abstracted into single icons

Freedesktop.org on Komodo
 http://komodolinux.org/screenshots/trans-desktop.png

Metisse on Komodo
 http://www.komodolinux.org/screenshots/metisse1.png
 http://www.komodolinux.org/screenshots/metisse2.png
We will deliver today what Longhorn promises for 2006. We will have a fully-integrated Metisse engine in Komodo and GenSTEP. No bothering with metisse running in a window... the entire display will be managed by it. Full 3D desktop.

We are the next generation.

[Orethrius]

Pimp.  Here's your cane, pimp.  

[pofnlice]

That rox!!!

[hm_murdock]

That's right AmericanBastard... it does indeed rock.

Everybody at MES is interested in this and will look at this thread.

[MrBunnyFace]

I will offer support in anyway possible. I'm not that educated or well-funded, but will readily support anyone opposing microsoft. Let me know how I can help.

[Refalm]

Is this GenSTEP things going to include X (I hope X.org, because it rox), or is it going to be completely *STEP interface based?
If it does, will it be compatible with X programs?

[hm_murdock]

X.org is the X11 server, but apps will run though a dummy X server which will render with metisse. all applications will therefore use Metisse and the entire desktop will receive the benefits of it. X.org will be the main X server, though.

[WMD]

You know, Jimmy, I remember only months ago (actually, close to when I registered) you were ranting about "the fact" that X11 sucked.  Have you changed your opinion, and if so, why?

[xyle_one]

xfree86 sucks. x.org does not. Right?

[hm_murdock]

quote:You know, Jimmy, I remember only months ago (actually, close to when I registered) you were ranting about "the fact" that X11 sucked. Have you changed your opinion, and if so, why?

because nearly all of my issues with it have been addressed! X.org is a great improvement over xfree86, and the work done on Metisse and Looking Glass brings us a next-generation display layer that keeps X11 compatibility.

[WMD]

Isn't the current X.Org just a fork of XFree86 4.4?  AFAIK they didn't change all that much.  The only change I know of was fixing a bug in the nv driver so that the FX5700 worked.  

[Refalm]

quote:WMD: Isn't the current X.Org just a fork of XFree86 4.4?  AFAIK they didn't change all that much.  The only change I know of was fixing a bug in the nv driver so that the FX5700 worked.  

X.org is better. It doesn't contain any bugs, and xorg.conf is far superiour to XFree86 one (I forgot the name, because of my trauma with it). And, because it doesn't conflict with GPL, distributions can bring it out any time they want. Everyone should switch to it, and leave XFree86 to die.

[Aloone_Jonez]

This looks cool.
Almost too cool.
I hope it's not too bloated, what are the minimum hardware requirements?

[ July 18, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]

[hm_murdock]

we're looking at base install being somewhere around 300-400MB I think

other reqs, I think you'll be able to use any 3D accelerator card with Metisse. Will plans on making it "smart", so that on lesser hardware, it will automatically scale back. on the lowest-end stuff, I think we'll just use X.org without metisse.

we plan on adding some basic skinning to GNUstep so that we can have a slightly updated look. nothing as drastic as the difference between OPENSTEP and Aqua, though