You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.

[Calum]

i bought a spiffy new creative soundblaster (all real soundblasters come from creative) a few months ago, i eventually returned it to the shop (they said i could return it if it wasn't compatible with my operating system    ) and i bought a (

[preacher]

quote:Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:
i bought a spiffy new creative soundblaster (all real soundblasters come from creative) a few months ago, i eventually returned it to the shop (they said i could return it if it wasn't compatible with my operating system     ) and i bought a (

[Faust]

Erm creative cards are supported in linux, by official _Free Software_ drivers.  At most all you should need to do is compile in the drivers (emu10k1), I didn't even have to do that.  It was easier to get my soundblaster live working in Linux than it was in Windows.   :confused:

[Calum]

well it didn't work in linux. i went to their website and it said it wasn't supported in linux. the CD that came with it only had windows drivers, and mandrake did not pick up the card on installation, even though mandrake has (in my opinion) the best detection of sound cards amongst the popular linux distros.

perhaps all soundblasters are supported by these drivers, just the not so new ones?

i went for the soundblaster first because i (wrongly) thought "these are the defacto standard for soundcards, this has the best chance of working".

[ May 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]

[Faust]

??? mines a soundblaster live, what's yours?

[Calum]

well i can't honestly remember, it being 5 months since i took it back to the shop, but i think it was this one here, the sound blaster 4.1 digital.

edit, in fact it was, i recognise the little bastard...

edit2: in fact it definitely was here's the thread where i complain about the fact bitterly.

[ May 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]

[preacher]

Yeah, I tried for six hours to get mine working. Supposedly it came with the drivers for the sound card, but during the boot process when it tried to load the kernel module, it always failed. I ended getting my super cheap old ass card and it works great.

[Pantso]

I also have a bitter experience with brand new hardware and Linux. Sometimes it's definitely better to go with older hardware than brand new and fancy ones.  

[TheQuirk]

quote:You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.

Let me tell you something: I don't have to admint anything.  

[baggab]

It has been my experience with RH 6.1, 8.0 and knoppix 3.2 that there is some truth to the hardware issues.  From a complete newbie's position: there's drive mounting with RH 8.0, as an example.  I've had issues with video and sound cards, but the time I've wasted trying to make M$ work has been vastely greater.

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by baggab:
It has been my experience with RH 6.1, 8.0 and knoppix 3.2 that there is some truth to the hardware issues.  From a complete newbie's position: there's drive mounting with RH 8.0, as an example.  I've had issues with video and sound cards, but the time I've wasted trying to make M$ work has been vastely greater.

Of course there are hardware issues. I've had such myself as well. However, I don't believe anyone can blaim the Linux vendors for that.

I also agree with your last sentence. Sometimes if not all, the time someone wastes to make Windows work is far greater than the time it would take for someone to get Linux to work.    

[ May 10, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

[choasforages]

no longer am i "hacker choas" i shall be now known as "demigod choas"
why you ask, do i deserve to be reconized as one with the system, a hacker far beyound the mortal realm of skills?
working sound on the thinkpad 600, and it wasn't exactly a follow the directions kinda deal, i had to improvise and it was a fight i fought agianst it for a year+ but i was successful.......
linux has the ability to work with really odd combo's of hardware. the only place linux is lacking is on really really rare and expensive hardware that no kernel hacker's have access to. but try to get windows to run on something not x86 based, well, it can, but have fun with a windows CE or some ancient ass copy of nt 3.5 or 4 if your lucky. or that uber lame embedded xp

rant off

[Calum]

why did you change from "choas" to "chaos"? you lose your individuality that way.
and what happened to the choas OS distribution by the way?

edit: it should be called ChaOS - huh huh!

[ May 13, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]

[baggab]

I must have missed Calum's original thread when I posted my previous remark.

OSS is like a tidal wave, M$ is like a sand castle.

most OSS users know why there are hardware issues: lack of financial incentive on the part of third party vendors.

My flavor of the week: two MSI mother boards (1 is a MS-6309, 2 is a K7T266 Pro2) with on board, Crystal Fusion sound cards. 1 works 2 does not with RH 8.0, I have not tried to tweak these as I have "bigger fish to fry."

[spencerpi]

quote: Of course there are hardware issues. I've had such myself as well. However, I don't believe anyone can blaim the Linux vendors for that.

Maybe, maybe not. It's easy for Linux of course if it can't be blamed for anything eh ?

I installed Mandrake 9.1 last evening but it does not support my Hercules 3D Prophet 4500. I have searched and searched and all I find in forums and sites is "it is not supported".

I haven't tried my cd rom, cd writer, soundcard, scanner and digital camera yet. I don't know if I will since something as elementary as a video card isn't supported.

Linux being able to run on umpteen different platforms is all good and well but no support for your video card kind of takes away the fun and the will to dig deeper into it.

Does anyone have a clue ? Otherwise it's back to W2K. It may suck but at least i can run it in the resolution of my choice.