Redhat fights the DMCA

[Doctor V]

Just a question, is it hard to gain Canadian citizenship?  Australian?

V

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
Consider this, it's illegal, but will the local police go through the trouble of enforcing such a law? Will the government even bother tracking you down, unless you do something really big? Even if your charged, would you get in much trouble?

I'd say the DMCA is a scare tactic, as is the standard anti-piracy laws.

I agree. How the fuck will they track and prosecute everyone who does something? I did things I won't post, and have I gotten in trouble? No.

The DCMA is bullshit, and I've sent quite a few letters to quite a few people in congress. My last letter was quite nasty.

 I said that if the congressmen (excuse the sexism) are representatives for the people, then why is this stuff being created? Why? For the corporations. The United States Congress is completely for doing the biddings of the corporations. And I resent that heavily.

I have no problem viewing info I shouldn't. Who hasn't at some point?

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

[ims27_8]

I think we want more citizens here in Aussieland, the government keeps running "If you're a permanent resident, now is a great time to gain citizenship!" ads. And what is this DMCA thing? Maybe I've been living under a rock.

[rtgwbmsr]

Chuck Schumer's website is down, don't try sending him anything      

Wait a sec...isn't source code legal (It falls under a bunch of the following)? Check this out:
 

quote: Copyright Office Summary December 1998 Page 5
The broadest of these exceptions, section 1201(a)(1)(B)-(E), establishes an
ongoing administrative rule-making proceeding to evaluate the impact of the
prohibition against the act of circumventing such access-control measures. This
conduct prohibition does not take effect for two years. Once it does, it is subject to
an exception for users of a work which is in a particular class of works if they are or are
likely to be adversely affected by virtue of the prohibition in making noninfringing uses.
The applicability of the exemption is determined through a periodic rulemaking by the
Librarian of Congress, on the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, who is
to consult with the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and
Information.
The six additional exceptions are as follows:
1. Nonprofit library, archive and educational institution exception
(section 1201(d)). The prohibition on the act of circumvention of
access control measures is subject to an exception that permits
nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions to circumvent
solely for the purpose of making a good faith determination as to
whether they wish to obtain authorized access to the work.
2. Reverse engineering (section 1201(f)). This exception permits
circumvention, and the development of technological means for such
circumvention, by a person who has lawfully obtained a right to use a
copy of a computer program for the sole purpose of identifying and
analyzing elements of the program necessary to achieve interoperability
with other programs, to the extent that such acts are permitted under
copyright law.
3. Encryption research (section 1201(g)). An exception for encryption
research permits circumvention of access control measures, and the
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998
development of the technological means to do so, in order to identify
flaws and vulnerabilities of encryption technologies.
4. Protection of minors (section 1201(h)). This exception allows a court
applying the prohibition to a component or part to consider the
necessity for its incorporation in technology that prevents access of
minors to material on the Internet.
5. Personal privacy (section 1201(i)). This exception permits circumvention
when the technological measure, or the work it protects, is capable
of collecting or disseminating personally identifying information about
the online activities of a natural person.
6. Security testing (section 1201(j)). This exception permits circumvention
of access control measures, and the development of technological
means for such circumvention, for the purpose of testing the security
of a computer, computer system or computer network, with the
authorization of its owner or operator.

Got this from
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

[hm_murdock]

I know two words that would help put an end to it all... to DRM, TCPA, the DMCA... all of it.

Tar

the other word...

Feather

Combine them with a healthy dose of applying them to people that support said bullshit. The message would be clear, would be understood, and it would usher in a new era of Government for the people by the people.

Thanks to the "old guard" of the 1950s and 1960s that let the Gov't take over without question. Look what they've turned into.

MY WORST FUCKING ENEMY.

It's really disgusting.

I think someone already asked... but how hard *is* it to become a Canadian citizen? I do believe I could take pride in saying I'm a Canadian.

[Calum]

DC, for your information i did read the article. do you seriously think i go shooting off my mouth about something without reading the source material beforehand? what sort of moron do you think i am?

Master of reality, you seem to think i can say what i like about this, do you? even though the site is in the US. well according to the article:  

quote:Got that? In some instances at least, the very act of explaining what has been fixed by a security patch could be construed as explaining how the security of a product could be breached, and hence could be viewed as a breach of the DMCA.

so. heads still in the sand? keep looking at your feet guys, while the rest of the world laps you.

people in glass houses should not throw stones.

re: australian citizenship, i will have to marry my australian fiance (luckily that is the plan!) in order to get it. australia seems to be quite tight about that sort of thing these days. Also, doesn't the USA get shitty if you adopt another nationality? i was under the impression that you could not hold a dual nationality where one of your nationalities was US citizen, is this correct?

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
DC, for your information i did read the article. do you seriously think i go shooting off my mouth about something without reading the source material beforehand? what sort of moron do you think i am?

Happens quite a lot actually.

And my apologies - that what I was talking about wasn't actually on that page. http://www.thefreeworld.net/faq.php , one of the links mentioned, told that story.
A Russian guy posting stuff on Russian servers that was not illegal was ARRESTED. Germans posting legal stuff on German servers are being persecuted.
Sure, you can avoid it - just don't ever travel to the US again in your life. That is unless they manage to get you extradited, in which case you're toast.

Lazygamer and Muffin: they may not go after everyone, but they *can* go after you if they want to, pretty much at their desires.