Linux = Ugly

[Pantso]

Sorry Doogee, I seem to have misinterpreted your post. If that was your point, then I agree wholeheartidly with you. Also, let me say that I disagree with Billy Gates. Desktop environments with  or without specific window managers (like KDE or GNOME), look MUCH better than they did a few years ago. When I first used KDE 1.0, I thought it was a f***ing disaster and now they look a lot better than windows. Talk about progress.  

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by Doogee : Mandrake Trooper:
Actually no i take that back, to be honest im not actually all that fond of the Mac OSX look.

It's another thing not liking the Aqua look in OS X and another bashing the whole OS, which according to your post was not your intention.    

Oh, and if you didn't like Aqua (can't see a reason why not)and owned a Mac, you could always get XWindows and run KDE or GNOME on top of Darwin. That simple!  

[Doogee]

yer i was on a bit of a rage i was really amazed at this person can magically say what his colours shoul be just by his mind "it should just know" i just dont get it???

[Doogee]

yeah i could get X for Mac OSX that would be great but i can do the same thing for free with linux just fine thankyou very much

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by Doogee : Mandrake Trooper:
yer i was on a bit of a rage i was really amazed at this person can magically say what his colours shoul be just by his mind "it should just know" i just dont get it???

Again, I agree with you.  

[Doogee]

Ill leave it at that then, maybe BG will control his computer via mind control and post a reply to us  

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by Doogee : Mandrake Trooper:
Ill leave it at that then, maybe BG will control his computer via mind control and post a reply to us    

 

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Calum: Member # 81:
billy gates, you were doing so well and then all of a sudden yesterday you started posting all that crap - numerous rubbishy pointless posts, why? bad mood or something? just bored?

BG: "Why oh why do i have to put up with this? All my titlebars are blue!!! Why can't it be white like on my mac?"
SOMEBODY: "Why not just change the colour in the control center?"
BG: "I shouldn't have to! It should just know that i want it to be white! Linux is obviously not ready for the desktop yet..."

BG: "When I type a letter, it always comes out using a Lucida font, I really think linux should get its act together and make it a better font, like Arial or Gill."
SOMEBODY: Uh, why not just change the font in the pull down menu?"
BG: Goddamnit! you geeks are always trying to confuse me! I'm not a programmer! Linux is obviously not ready for the desktop yet"

You see what i'm saying?
most of these things you complain about would take a LOT less time to fix than they would to bitch about in a forum.

[ February 01, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]

Did I really say those things?  I totally don't remember and they definitely did not come out the way I wanted.

Now back to my point, I do like the way RH8 gnome looks, but then you open Mozilla and it looks totally different, the text is not antialiased, etc,etc.  I just wish linux programmers would work a little more on making the interface of their software looks the same as the interface of linux.  My gripe is this is impossible because SuSE, Mandrake, and RH8 all looks completely differently and there are far more distros than that.  So Linux can never, at least without the major invention of some cool UI converter, have a universal UI.  This makes Linux Ugly.  OSX can look great, but if the programs you use looks like shit then I call it ugly.  Like I hate using Thoth newsreader because it looks like shit.

I'm sorry I dais those things about the Mac reading my mind shit.  I probably just wanted to change the default font to a different font, not sure though.  I'm sorry I wasted all of you time with badly written, confusing english.


Good by, I hope some day that I will be able to regain my reputation on FuckMicrosoft.com

[Doogee]

 The people that work on gnome, that work on KDE and that work on mozilla are three entirely different groups of people. i know where your coming from, changing a theme in the GUI nezer changes it in mozilla, but did you know you can still get mozilla themes, did you know you can MAKE mozilla themes. make it look how you want or look for what you want.

[slave]

Linux doesn't need a unified look.  In fact, it's not even a logical statement since Linux is simply a kernel.  Gnome and KDE are desktop environments which run on Linux but can also run on FreeBSD, OS X, Solaris, and other OSes.  Personally I think the choice I get with Linux is a good thing, and while "Joe Sixpack" may not like it, that doesn't mean I can't like it.  Besides, there are many Linux distributions such as RHL 8 which do have a fairly unified look across all applications and environments.  I know mozilla doesn't have antialiased fonts, but it *will* in Red hat linux 8.1.

[slave]

Don't get me wrong, I want Linux to have a unified desktop for it, but that doesn't mean I want to eliminate all other desktops.  Frankly I think GNOME  and KDE are just as "unified" as the Windows desktop, and certainly can be as pretty.  I have an updated version of Mozilla on my computer that has AA fonts enabled and the rendering looks just as good as Windows or OSX.  When Galeon 2 comes out I'll have a fast, gnome-integrated browswer based on mozilla.  I think both Gnome and KDE are certainly very usable, pretty when used on a modern distribution, and will only get better with time.  Remember Gnome 1.2 and KDE 1.x in Red hat linux 7.0?  Those looked like shit!

[solo]

Hey, why *not* make a standard UI layer... we just make a universal translation layer that each UI system will speak and then create libraries for translating *to* the unitrans layer and libs for translating *from* the unitrans layer. This might be slow tho...

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Solo:
Hey, why *not* make a standard UI layer... we just make a universal translation layer that each UI system will speak and then create libraries for translating *to* the unitrans layer and libs for translating *from* the unitrans layer. This might be slow tho...

yah, what he said.  I can handle slow, I've dealt with it in OSX for a long time.  And X86 is faster than Mac and gets faster more quickly than just about anything else.  Hell, by the time something like this is finished we will have like 5GHz cpu's

[solo]

that would be something that would send linux straight into the desktop market. everything would be completely consistent! anyone else seriously considering this? i am. ill help with the universal layer and the kde layers!

[Calum]

why not contribute to GNOME as the standard? i think kde will drag linux down if it is allowed to stay being the standard. it is too windows-like (complete with terminal ugliness and bugs/crashes)