The beast is out Get it now

[voidmain]

Ok, I may start retracting my statements in my first review fairly quickly. I got frustrated trying to get KDE back into shape so I decided to go back to the default BlueCurve/Gnome login and play around some more. After using it a little longer I think I might actually start liking it.

Mozilla is working very well and thinks actaully look pretty sharp. I still think they should have left KDE alone but the new look does kind of grow on you. Hope I didn't scare anyone away. It certainly will be much easier for n00bs.

[Gooseberry Clock]

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
I just burned Red Hat 8.0 on my only CDs (luckily they are CD/RW) and it wouldnt boot off them.

Burning ISO onto a CD-RW? Forget it.

[Master of Reality]

why wouldnt that work?
It seemed to when i installed slackware off one.

The RH 8.0 install didnt work though so maybe you are right. It couldnt find packages or the packages were corrupt er somethin like that.

I will probly buy some CD-Rs and burn it again.

[fuckoffmicrosoft]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
I am calmed down now.     I agree that the new Red Hat should be much better for the n00bs. And they did a lot more than just create a theme for both Gnome and KDE (I was under the impression that is all they did). I think the new graphical tools are excellent for the n00b. What's underneath is all I'm really concerned about anyhow. I don't actually use a GUI for much more than opening up a few terminal windows, opening up Konqueror, and Evolution for Email so what's the difference right? Right.

I still can't get the fonts right in Konqueror which is probably the single biggest gripe I have right now. Konqueror used to look much better than Mozilla for fonts in my opinion. In RH8 Mozilla doesn't look much better than it did before but Konqueror is hosed (I hope that wasn't intentional).

So I'll leave my initial review as it is. I have a feeling any RedHat lover would have the same initial reaction I had. For those people who didn't like RedHat before, maybe this is what they were wanting.

quick question whats so important about fonts. does it make a difference in linux?<--- not sarcastic

[slave]

voidmain what is wrong with you?!??  It fucking rules!  It's possibly the only version of Linux I like.  The fonts are fucked?  Hell no!! They look great compared to earlier versions of linux.  GNOME hasn't crashed on my machine once, not even the panel.  You don't like the icons?!??!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!!  They look even better than the XP icons.  And for once the system tools WORK without fucking up.  And mozilla doesn't break up text while scrolling.
Nice job red hat, keep this up and I may consider dumping windows...

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * / Blob:
Burning ISO onto a CD-RW? Forget it.

Why?  That's *all* I use. They work great for me.

[Master of Reality]

i have heard that of many people, because after you burn and isntall it you can blank the CDs and use it to burn the next version.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
voidmain what is wrong with you?!??  It fucking rules!  It's possibly the only version of Linux I like.  The fonts are fucked?  Hell no!! They look great compared to earlier versions of linux.  GNOME hasn't crashed on my machine once, not even the panel.  You don't like the icons?!??!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!!  They look even better than the XP icons.  And for once the system tools WORK without fucking up.  And mozilla doesn't break up text while scrolling.
Nice job red hat, keep this up and I may consider dumping windows...

XP Luser, is that really you?!? Can't be.. If it is then I take back every bad thing I said about 8.0 and will recommend it to all the Windows users out there (while I secretly continue to run 7.3).

I can say with certainty that KDE 3.x kicks the crap out of the default Gnome desktop that Red Hat 8 comes with. Don't get me wrong, it looks nice and should be easy for a n00b but it's way too dumbed down for me and many things are just lacking. For instance, to browse Windows shares with Nautilus you have to use your windows login ID and password in the URL:

smb://userid:password@winserver/

There is no way that I have found to configure a default DOMAIN/USER/PASSWD you don't have to use that info in a URL. Konqueror was *much* more capable for browsing Windows servers. In KDE Control Center there was a place where you put your default DOMAIN/USERNAME/PASSWORD (or it would prompt for authentication) so accessing Windows shares on NT servers was very clean:

smb://winserver

Now, that option appears to be missing in Red Hat 8.0's KDE. Was it removed by KDE or by Red Hat?

So, as I said, I think I am going to remove Red Hat's KDE and download it straight from the source and see how that works.. Still, that wouldn't be too bad if that will be my only major issue.

Another thing I noticed is that "man pages" no longer display correctly in KDE's KTerm. Worked fine in 7.3 and it works in Gnome just fine. Hopefully this is just another *.0 bug and not intentional.

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Master of Reality]

expect screenshots from me soon.

My first impression during the install was that they had made the package sselection (grouped packages) better. I had little need to go and select individual packages. It is an excellant upgrade.

When i say the Login screen, at first i thought "what the fuck is this???!@#$#@$%" but then i looked and realized that it is pretty L337 and cool.
Its default skin isnt much different than the normal KDE default. Only the buttons and icons have seemed to change. There is a folder on the desktop to quickly edit items in the main menu. The former "K" button is now a red hat.

Instead of saying "Mozilla" it just says web browser. And anything extra (like konqueror apparently) is put under "extras" in the main menu. I guess it includes anything that is not set to be the default for whatever it does.

It comes with OpenOffice which kicks ass.

I think this Red Hat will be great for n00bs though, it seems to have a hell of a lot more GUI configuration tools for things like printers, webservers, proxies, firewalls, and anything else you could imagine. (i didnt install meny of them though).

Ummmmm.... i dont think there is anything else i can say about it right now.

[Master of Reality]

It is very easy to change from bluecurve. You just switch the colour scheme and icon set. I switched to the Connectiva Crystal Icon Theme which is very kickass.

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]

[Gooseberry Clock]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


Why?  That's *all* I use. They work great for me.

Are you reading them using your CD writer or a normal CD-ROM drive?

[Master of Reality]

how did you get the fonts to look right in konqueror??? they are horrible!
Mozilla works fine though. And i think Gnome looks better with the bluecurve theme. I hange KDE though

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * / Blob:
Are you reading them using your CD writer or a normal CD-ROM drive?

Normal CD drives can read them just fine. In fact I installed on my old laptop that has one of the most fussy drives there is (and not a writer). Seems when you write the disks with "cdrecord" they work fine in any drive. The nice part is, I just reuse the disks when the new version of Red Hat comes out.

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
how did you get the fonts to look right in konqueror??? they are horrible!
Mozilla works fine though. And i think Gnome looks better with the bluecurve theme. I hange KDE though

I never did get the fonts to look right in Konqueror. Luckily I did the install on a separate partition and just dual booted my Red Hat 7.3 partition.  I couldn't take it any more, am back on 7.3.  It also seems to hog up more memory on this old laptop. 7.3 is much faster. I suggest you have at least 128MB if you are going to run 8.0 and the new BlueCrap.

[Master of Reality]

8.0 seems faster on my old dev computer when running KDE than any other OS running kde on that computer (and windows ran slow on it too)