AMD appears to join the fucker list...

[Calum]

maybe that's exactly why IBM are in it? remember, all these firms are motivated by self interest though, no matter how much they 'embrace'the open source 'ethic'. The only way to get this overturned is to give one of those biggies an incentive to keep out of the TCPA bullshit. What about Motorola, what's their state of play these days?

[HibbeeBoy]

I'm not clear on IBM's Linux strategy but IBM are touting Linux to run on the iSeries (AS400) servers in a partition. Obviously not much use for the home user but for business it is very appealing. I just wish I had the time to delve into it and get the ball rolling. I fully intend on booting M$ out of the workplace altogether.

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232

Looks like I'll be finally buying that Mac/PPC soon to run my Linux on. Unless they are planning on joining the Palladium "fucker list" too.

 

[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

Fuck that  :mad:  I'm getting a Mac when this shit hits the market! I always wanted to anyway  

[orcpeon]

I have an Athlon XP 2100+ and a geforce 4 ti4600.  I doubt I'll need to upgrade for another 6 years.  Especially since Linux seems to get less resource hungry with each release instead of more like Windoze. (which is deliberately done by M$ to force you to get new hardware, we all know that)  And if 6 years from now you can only buy TCPA hardware then I'll have to either get a Macintosh (assuming they don't have Palladium-like processors in them by then) or I'll just stick with my old computer, which is only "obsolete" because M$ wants it that way.

[lazygamer]

I will never buy a mac(ok 10 years from now... maybe), but I will never go to Palladium either. Suppose I'll build the best I can get on non-TCPA hardware, be a linux d00d, and do alot of cool stuff. As long as they can't keep the net from us, they can't fully win. Still it sounds like a sad future. I hope something goes awry with their plans.

[TheQuirk]

they're planning on only letting TCPA based computers to access webpages that run TCPA webservers. And that will probably be alot of webservers, unfortunatly.

[Bazoukas]

I am on AMD simply because i wanted to support this company and it truly kicks ass.
  But if AMD becomes another MS ho, then I will buy  a mobo that supports 4 CPUS, buy 4 CPUS a generation just before the TCPA ones and let it rip for years and years with a kick ass cooling system.

  after that If TCPA is still going strong, am sure there will be an alternative out there.

[orcpeon]

quote: I will never buy a mac(ok 10 years from now... maybe), but I will never go to Palladium either. Suppose I'll build the best I can get on non-TCPA hardware, be a linux d00d, and do alot of cool stuff. As long as they can't keep the net from us, they can't fully win. Still it sounds like a sad future. I hope something goes awry with their plans.

Try not to worry, man.  I'm sure something will go wrong with their nefarious scheme.  Microsoft is already extremely lucky to have gotten this big, and if it pushes its luck any further with this shit it could backfire tremendously.  Not everyone wants to suck Bill Gate's dick after all.  And, Zeus forbid, if the internet becomes all "Palladium-ized" one day, where only Windows machines can access the 'net, we'll just have to form our own internet!  Nothing save making all non-M$ software illegal in every country on Earth  will stop open source.

[orcpeon]

Or as Charlton Heston would put it:

If they outlaw GPL software, then only outlaws will have GPL software.

[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: Orc Peon ]

[Master of Reality]

exactly.

[mobrien_12]

Might not be a bad idea to flood AMD with mail (electronic and paper) and let them know how we feel about this.

[preacher]

You guys are sitting there scared of microsoft. Well guess what, Im scared of nothing. Bring Palladium on. Im a computer programmer. If its the last thing I do, whether it is legal or illegal, I will make a version of linux that will run on this hardware type. I will find a way past microsoft's "so-called" security, I will do everything in my power to make sure that Microsoft never wins. There is no such thing as perfect security, and we all know this, so dont worry.

[TheQuirk]

Well, if it's anything like the x-box security, it will cost you thousands (as in 15,000 bucks) of dollars to crack the security. Not in legal fees or anything, but in hardware. The guy that cracked the x-box used a, erm, the word is escaping me right now, a "digital decoder" to crack the security by brute force, actually.

[beltorak0]

ok, preacher, hack away.  keep in mind that it will be part of the hardware.  loading a kernel debugger  (or any debugger capable of prying into the TCPA zone), plugging in unauthorized hardware, running a data-duplication program, and even managing somehow to root your own machine breaking into the tcpa zone will be casue for suspicion by the fritz chip, and it will automatically dump and wipe all protected memory.  Does it matter whether or not you were actually trying to gain unauthorized access to your machine?  nope.  you'll just have to grin and reboot if you want to continue working on your financial report, musci creation, or chat.  I almost pity the poor suckers that keep the HD encrypted and the key entrusted to fritz.  Imagine the problems when the bios fails....  bu-bye data.

-t.

[psyjax]

First off, Apple will never embrace TCPA they are to invested in initiatives contray to that one. Open source, GPL, and even Linux considering that Apple actually has helped out Linux developers in writting drivers and the like.

The next chip for the Mac being co-developed with IBM is the Power4 chip. A 64-bit processor designed by IBM for their linux servers, these will certainly NOT be TCPA complaiant, rest asured.

As for YDL, void, it's the best distro for the Mac IMHO. I coulden't get debian to install right, Mandrake was way buggy and didn't recognize my hardware off the bat, YDL booted up on the first try. I had to configure some Xfree86 files for resolution and stuff, but that was about it.

But, I love OSX, Im telling you void you will too once you try it  

If you get sick of the GUI just log in as Console and your straight into darwin. You can also configure the boot file to not load Aqua at all, you can even set it to one of the Xfree86 window managers and stuff. pretty cool huh?

Whatever. That's my two cents.