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Laukev7

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« on: 5 September 2003, 07:34 »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030905/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music

How generous of them! It couldn't be because they can't actually sue millions of downloaders, could it?   :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1 on: 5 September 2003, 07:44 »
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Originally posted by Laukev7: Defender of Canada:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030905/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music

How generous of them! It couldn't be because they can't actually sue millions of downloaders, could it?    :rolleyes:  




ummm... sounds like a good deal to me.  And yes... I think they would be allowed to sue people that steal from them.

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« Reply #2 on: 5 September 2003, 08:03 »
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I think they would be allowed to sue people that steal from them.


I didn't say anything about them being allowed to sue them or not. What I'm saying here is that it shows that they make empty threats.

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« Reply #3 on: 5 September 2003, 08:07 »
Yah what did they say it would take like 200 years to file every subpoena needed to sue all downloaders

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« Reply #4 on: 5 September 2003, 21:07 »
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:

ummm... sounds like a good deal to me.  And yes... I think they would be allowed to sue people that steal from them.



It's not "stealing."  Stealing is a different crime.  It's copyright violation.  People need to get this straight.  

I never used Kazaa or napster or morpheous, and if I find a p2p program on a machine that I'm responsible for, it gets wiped immediately, so this doesn't make much of a difference to me one way or the other.

But the tactics of the RIAA, MPAA, and BSA disturb me. This "amnesty" smells like a trap.  Why does someone have to send them a notarized doucument and a photo ID copy???  Why doesn't an infringer just have to wipe the files and uninstall whatever tool he/she used?

And ironically, although RIAAs threats and lawsuits and subpoenas are reducing downloads, CD sales are still decreasing (see slashdot story).

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« Reply #5 on: 5 September 2003, 21:29 »
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:


It's not "stealing."  Stealing is a different crime.  It's copyright violation.  People need to get this straight.
[ September 05, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]



I don't see why everyone has to get so technical when I say stealing.  Your taking something that is not yours and you did not pay for.  That is stealing.

That is like saying stealing a car is not stealing... but grand theft auto.  It makes no difference... the result is the same (someone still stole your car).

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« Reply #6 on: 5 September 2003, 13:33 »
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:



ummm... sounds like a good deal to me.  And yes... I think they would be allowed to sue people that steal from them.



we can almost use you as a social barometer. just find out what you say and 90% of the time it's safe to say the utter opposite is true.
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« Reply #7 on: 5 September 2003, 14:57 »
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I don't see why everyone has to get so technical when I say stealing. Your taking something that is not yours and you did not pay for. That is stealing.


I think we should be able to sue the publishers, and spineless artists who collaborate with them, who attempt to restrict our freedom of speech, or, as I like to term it, anally rape us. Oh ok they're not technically 'raping' us, but it's a good word to use anyway.

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« Reply #8 on: 5 September 2003, 15:48 »
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« Reply #9 on: 5 September 2003, 15:54 »
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And ironically, although RIAAs threats and lawsuits and subpoenas are reducing downloads, CD sales are still decreasing (see slashdot story).


Who do you sue when you release crap music though?  I must admit it would be funny to see Britneys label sue her for poor sales ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H poor singing ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H stealing profits.      

We refer to Grand Theft Auto as stealing because it is a specific subset of stealing.  As in it's covered by the same laws as theft of any other physical possession, but it has more specific rules - kinda like we call "killing babies" infanticide and "killing royal people" regicide - specific terminology.  "Copyright (or BLDTLUSYC*)  infringememt " however is not a specific subset of "stealing" it is a seperate legal term, and covered by different laws.  I can walk around all I like saying "RIAA releases shit music" and yes it will hurt their profits, but it's not theft.  Might be covered by slander laws, but slander isn't theft.

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Flap, Calum I don't know whos post I like more.    

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quote:
Von Lohmann cautioned that the RIAA doesn't represent all copyright owners and therefore couldn't guarantee an Internet user wouldn't be sued for infringement by others, despite what amounts to an admission of guilt.

"It's not the kind of agreement that most people's lawyers will embrace," he said.

I wonder if this is just a "now we know who you are" offer?

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« Reply #10 on: 5 September 2003, 17:56 »
The reason it isn't stealing is simply because the owner isn't deprived of what's been 'taken'. The reason why stealing is a problem for the victim is because when they have something stolen they cease to posess it. It's not the fact that the thief now posesses it that bothers them, but simply the fact that they don't have the item anymore. You can't compare copying to stealing because with duplication the owner (in this case the copyright owner) still has the original.

Actually I would approve of the RIAA continuing to use the word "stealing" because it's so easy to ridicule this argument.
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« Reply #11 on: 5 September 2003, 18:09 »
Isn't 'piracy' a more appropriate term than 'stealing'?

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« Reply #12 on: 5 September 2003, 18:40 »
Well considering 'piracy' refers to the act of attacking + looting a ship, I think that's a lot worse than calling it 'stealing'. You may as well call it 'arson' as call it piracy.
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« Reply #13 on: 5 September 2003, 19:41 »
it's just home taping, but with your computer instead of tapes.

here's seven pages of whether it's stealing or not from last month.

and here's some more of the same

just search in the lounge for riaa if you have a couple of hours to waste on this subject.
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« Reply #14 on: 5 September 2003, 23:22 »
No one mentioned the obvious one:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#TOCPiracy

There we go all better.  
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