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xyle_one

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #165 on: 24 May 2005, 20:53 »
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Well... After a bit of thought one would find that user knowledge doesn't make the OS any more stable/secure. Maybe the system.
WTF is that about? I've used Windows for years and I am not going back to that pi-ece o' shite no-matter what.

And I can't make Windows work the way I want to. I can't make it stable. I can't make it secure. I've tried everything under the Sun. It doesn't work. The only solution: ditch that pi-ece o' shite!

No one said go back to windows. But, for those of us that do use it, should we just not be expected to learn it, like we would learn how to use Linux, or OSX? Why should we expect windows to work perfect, when that is not expected of the other operating systems? I apologize for defending windows, but honestly, it's being attacked unfairly in my opinion.

Also. Have you been hacked? Has your system been compromised? Mine never has. For the years I used Windows, noone hacked me. The worst that has happened was a nasty virus because I used to use Kazaa back in the day.

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What I said was that the fall of MS would ultamitely lead to greater freedom. As would the fall of any monopoly, I'd expect.

Okay. You are free to use linux and nothing else. Now that MS is out of the way, everything can be Linux. And only Linux.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #166 on: 24 May 2005, 21:05 »
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No one said go back to windows.
I misread it, sorry.
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Why shouldn't you do the same with Windows?
I know lots about Windows (how many times is it I've said that now?). Most other Windows users don't. Ideally, they would all learn a bit about Windows, so they can learn to hate it :D (only messin').

Seriously though, there are "user-friendly" GNU/Linux distros out there (Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc.), and newbs use them. Newbs that don't know what the 'cd' command does. Newbs that don't know what X11 is. Newbs that don't know what a kernel is. Newbs that don't know what vim/emacs is. You get the picture...

There isn't much to learn in Windows, AFAIK.


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Also. Have you been hacked? Has your system been compromised? Mine never has. For the years I used Windows, noone hacked me. The worst that has happened was a nasty virus because I used to use Kazaa back in the day.
Not to my knowledge have I been hacked. But I'm only on dial-up, and I have iptables setup as strict as possible.
I'll never forget the "Remote Procedure Calls" (RPC) I used to get on XP, and they'd popup a warning with a timer to shutdown. Was that the result of being hacked ('cause I dunno if it was :/ )?
« Last Edit: 24 May 2005, 21:10 by piratePenguin »
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #167 on: 24 May 2005, 21:10 »
Oh, I do. Not all noobs are created equal though.

User friendly is a difficult area. What is friendly to some, is ass-backwards to others. Just listen to a mac vs windows argument sometime.

And for the record, I am a hardcore osx and linux fan. At home, I run osx on 2 macs, and debian sarge on a dual athlon (which is suffering from a bad mother board right now). Windows doesn't exist once I leave the office.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #168 on: 24 May 2005, 21:17 »
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You'd think that Windows would have stable drivers LMAO!


In general most Windows drivers are stable.

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It's so damn funny. The most popular, and supposadly stable OS out there


No one said Windows is the most stable OS.

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and the MANUFACTURERS are FUCKING IT UP with SHIT DRIVERS!
GO MANUFACTURERS!


So both Windows and Mac drivers are shit then.

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GNU/Linux may be excused, for it recieves too damn little manufacturer support (good thing?), and the manufacturers don't give two fucks about the drivers they do make for it (good thing?).


Of course they do, if one company's drivers are shit but the hardware is a lot better value than another vendors but their drivers are better, people will pick the one with the moast reliable drivers.

So by your logic you can write better drivers by reverse engineering. :rolleyes:
This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #169 on: 24 May 2005, 21:36 »
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So by your logic you can write better drivers by reverse engineering. :rolleyes:
That's what it looks like. That the geeks can write better drivers by reverse engineering.

I suppose it's probably worth noting that I've only ever once bothered to try to get my pi-ece o' shite Lexmark something printer working in GNU/Linux. And that was on Slackware a long time ago. I _eventually_ got it working, just about, but it was no easy job. And then, I could print. It didn't crash the system or anything like that, just worked.
My USB 8-in-1 memory card reader works like a dream on all distros. Just stick in the card and check /dev/sd[whatever]
I don't have a scanner to try and get working.

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Okay. You are free to use linux and nothing else. Now that MS is out of the way, everything can be Linux. And only Linux.
LMAO, how wrong could you be. In the 10 months since ditching Windows, I've used (as in installed and learned a bit about; For most other OSes I can't get on ISDN, because the OS either doesn't have sufficient support or because I couldn't get it working when I tried) multiple GNU/Linux distros, FreeBSD (5.3-Release), Debian GNU/Hurd (!), Mac OS X (brothers powerbook... I use it alot, and teach him about it :cool: ), BeOS Max (good enuff), and I'm not sure that ReactOS counts.
Have I forgotten anything?
"linux and nothing else" I laugh so hard.
« Last Edit: 24 May 2005, 21:42 by piratePenguin »
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #170 on: 24 May 2005, 21:53 »
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And I forgot one BTW:
FREEDOM!
I agree,
 
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WTF is that about? I've used Windows for years and I am not going back to that pi-ece o' shite no-matter what.
 
 And I can't make Windows work the way I want to. I can't make it stable. I can't make it secure. I've tried everything under the Sun. It doesn't work. The only solution: ditch that pi-ece o' shite!

I agree, but
 
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GNU/Linux may be excused, for it recieves too damn little manufacturer support (good thing?), and the manufacturers don't give two fucks about the drivers they do make for it (good thing?).
How the hell can that be a good thing?

 

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #171 on: 24 May 2005, 22:06 »
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How the hell can that be a good thing?
 
Well apparantly crappy manufacturer drivers is what fucked up Windows. I don't get it either.
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Aloone_Jonez

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #172 on: 24 May 2005, 22:15 »
Saying that Linux drivers are better because they're hacked togeather by a process of reverse engineering simply doesn't make sense. Writing a driver without any information about a piece of hardware is like learning to program in C with out any examples or documentation.
« Last Edit: 24 May 2005, 22:21 by Aloone_Jonez »
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #173 on: 24 May 2005, 22:17 »
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Saying that Linux drivers are better because they're hacked togeather by a process of reverse engineering simply doesn't make sense. Writing a driver without any information about a piece of hardware is like learning to program in C with out and examples or documentation.
Whatever way they're put together,
the result _is_ better.

In my experience (I didn't wanna destroy the rhyme with brackets).
What about your experience, Aloone?
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #174 on: 24 May 2005, 22:19 »
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"linux and nothing else" I laugh so hard.

Keep laughing. Just about every Linux user I have met spouts the same shit. They are just as bad, if not worse, than Windows apologists and mac addicts.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #175 on: 24 May 2005, 22:25 »
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Keep laughing. Just about every Linux user I have met spouts the same shit. They are just as bad, if not worse, than Windows apologists and mac addicts.
I laugh so hard.

You see it's funny, because I have my own reasons for disliking GNU/Linux (the linux part of it, really). If I didn't have this fucking Junior Cert. in 2 weeks you could bet your ass I'd be posting this from GNU/Hurd, or at least FreeBSD.
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #176 on: 24 May 2005, 22:30 »
If I were at home, I would be posting from osx... 10.4 even. whoa.

I sorta laughed at it.
Not that hard though. I really don't care what you prefer to use.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #177 on: 24 May 2005, 22:43 »
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If I were at home, I would be posting from osx... 10.4 even. whoa.
You are so cool. I wish I could be more like you.
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Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. Macintosh tolls the solo variant. Why does a winter audience delay macintosh? The maker tosses macintosh. Beneath female suffers a double scum. How will a rat cube the heavier cricket? Macintosh calls a method. Can macintosh nest opposite the headache? Macintosh ties the wrong fairy. When can macintosh stem the land gang? Female aborts underneath macintosh. Inside macintosh waffles female. Next to macintosh worries a well.

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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #178 on: 24 May 2005, 22:44 »
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Whatever way they're put together,
the result _is_ better.

In my experience (I didn't wanna destroy the rhyme with brackets).
What about your experience, Aloone?


My Leximark printer/scanner would print though it wouln't scan and it was slower under Linux than Windows.

My graphics card was very slow in Redhat Linux (2.4.x kernel) so I installed a different driver but it still was slow. In Vector Linux and knoppix (2.6 kernel) it was a lot faster for general purpose desktop graphics but the 3D graphics on games are still very slow.

The winmodem would work under the 2.4.x kernel but it wouldn't work in 2.6.x becuase the driver wouldn't compile and the documentation said it was designed for 2.6 only.

Windows on the other hand isn't too bad, my Cannon LBP-660 printer works on Windows XP even though the driver was designed for NT4. I believe there's now a Linux driver for this too though I haven't tested it. This shows how in one area I've found Windows to be more backwards compatable than Linux.

I've had a few problems with the graphics card with Windows too, often it crashed when going into the screen saver, but this was fixed by adjusting the monitor power saving configuration.

My personal experiance backs up my theory, however now let me talk about the exeptions to the rule, drivers by manufactures who release information about their hardware or even better release free drivers are likely to be better.
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Re: Windows Sucks
« Reply #179 on: 24 May 2005, 22:58 »
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You are so cool. I wish I could be more like you.

First thing would be to stop adding fake tags to your post. It's not like the sarcasm was that hard to detect.

If you can't keep windows XP stable, you are doing something wrong. I leave the machine on all the time. I rarely turn it off for the weekend. It has yet to give me any problems. If it is so bad, shouldn't I have blue screened by now? Shouldn't it have locked up a few dozen times already today?