Windows Sucks

[piratePenguin]

I completely disagree with that.
If you are dreaming of an OSS utopia, which RMS seems to be, then you will expect users and other developers/corportations to honour the GPL - your licence of choice.
But at the same time he says it's fine to disregard the terms of use and licences regarding proprietary software?

Bullshit.
Talk about being a balls-out hypocrite...

Lol. Well that's the thing. Free software developers, like the FSF et al, they give a shit about the users freedom (among other things...). MS did NOT write their licences with the user in mind.

Note: I havn't listened to the article, so if i'm slating RMS it is on merit of what piratePenguin posted.

No problemo. I don;t think what I said was misleading (compared to what the man himself said) in any way.

[xyle_one]

So, piracy is a good thing?

haha.

[Aloone_Jonez]

piratePenguin and I didn't mean that.

I meant while using MS warez you're helping Microsoft but not as much as would woud be if you paid, and using freesoftware is much better than MS payware or warez.

[piratePenguin]

let's put it a different way then (I'm assuming that you know (because it is a fact) that MS are evil bastards):
pirate MS software > paying < alternatives

Whoever believes that buying MS software, and therefore giving the evil bastards money, is better than either pirate MS software (not giving the evil bastards money) or switching to alternatives, stand up and speak (and don't just laugh).

[BobTheHob]

I agree, but why don't you just make it "Alternative > Pirated MS > Paying for MS".

[Aloone_Jonez]

That's much better.

[piratePenguin]

I agree, but why don't you just make it "Alternative > Pirated MS > Paying for MS".

I was going to do that but decided not to change it much (in fact that's not really changing it, it's just reordering it) out of respect for Aloone
So we can use that now.

If pirate software wasn't possible, MS would be even richer than they already are.
Sure, some people might switch to the alternatives rather than pirate, but not a huge amount, and MS would be richer.

[Aloone_Jonez]

I was going to do that but decided not to change it out of respect for Aloone

I'm glad I have some respect and I respect you too.

So we can use that now.

I agree BobTheHob's idea is better.

If pirate software wasn't possible, MS would be even richer than they already are.
Sure, some people might switch to the alternatives rather than pirate, but not a huge amount, and MS would be richer.

Well you could argue that if people haden't have distributed MS pirate software in the first they wouldn't have established such a strong monopoly position. We all know this is bull because if it wasn't Microsoft it would've been IMB with OS/2 I doubt it would've been free software as there were no alternatives in a strong enough position. Oh I forgot Mac OS but that's not the PC and I doubt any other hardware would've dominated.

[RaZoR1394]

I totally agree. Because of all Microsoft's "monopoly" together with all the Windows software there are hords of people who can't or don't want to pay for software ex Windows and then pirates it. Because of this most people are used to their software and the exlusive software that runs on it. That's a very big achievement for Microsoft as most people would rather buy Windows than a GNU/LINUX distro.

[Aloone_Jonez]

I agree except I wouldn't call it a big achievement since all Microsoft's done is strike up OEM deals with the hardware vendors and most people don't even know about GNU/Linux hence Windows is the only operating system for the x86 platform.

[Jenda]

piratePenguin: then it might please you, that I do have a warez w98 on my computer, altho it's largely unused, and that prolly because I haven't seen my computer in almost a year. There is also a copy of mdk 9.2,, and both of the OSes will be soon removed in favor of Ubuntu.

(in fact that's not really changing it, it's just reordering it)

I disagree - the > < version lacks the information that warez < FSW... but the < < version states my opinion exactly. I do NOT consider myself a Microsoft supporter though, because I am NOT dependent on Windows and therefore do NOT contribute to the immense devotee base MS has clustered over the past decade.

[piratePenguin]

piratePenguin: then it might please you, that I do have a warez w98 on my computer, altho it's largely unused, and that prolly because I haven't seen my computer in almost a year. There is also a copy of mdk 9.2,, and both of the OSes will be soon removed in favor of Ubuntu.

:thumbup:

I disagree - the > < version lacks the information that warez < FSW... but the < < version states my opinion exactly.

Did you get that mixed up (there are a few versions floating about)?
I didn't look into that much detail before (fair play to you though), but in anycase:
For MS haters: legitimate MS software < illegitimate MS software < alternative to MS software.
For free software advocates: legitimate non-free software < illegitimate non-free software < free software alternative.
Do either of them suffice Jenda?

I do NOT consider myself a Microsoft supporter though, because I am NOT dependent on Windows and therefore do NOT contribute to the immense devotee base MS has clustered over the past decade.

I feel like saying something that involves the word "taint" and your system (computer system that is :p), but it's not really necesary.
Instead, a complement: you're headed in the right direction

RMS, of all people, has (recently) said that if he really needed to on a once-off basis (like at an internet cafe), he would use non-free software to do whatever he needs to do.

[Jenda]

Did you get that mixed up (there are a few versions floating about)?

I was talking about the

warez > paying < free software

version and the

Alternative > Pirated MS > Paying for MS

version. Now your last two versions are indeed very good, but for my personal case, being both MS-hater and a FLOSS advocate, a very complex inequasion is necessary:
Tartaros < MS ($) < warez MS < other ($) < other warez < FLOSS < Nirvana

As for my PC being tainted - there really aint much I can do. I am in Canada. My PC in Prague. As soon as I get back there, ta ta Windoes! I was less educated in the matter before, so I kept Windows for the moment... I might still keep a very simple copy on, say five gigs, until I need the space. I am not a big fan of games, but form time to time, I like to try them. And thanks for the dictionary link... I do have Firefox, and I do have the necessary extensions, so it won't be needed next time...

[piratePenguin]

for my personal case, being both MS-hater and a FLOSS advocate, a very complex inequasion is necessary:
Tartaros < MS ($) < warez MS < other ($) < other warez < FLOSS < Nirvana

Lol.

As for my PC being tainted - there really aint much I can do. I am in Canada. My PC in Prague. As soon as I get back there, ta ta Windoes! I was less educated in the matter before, so I kept Windows for the moment... I might still keep a very simple copy on, say five gigs, until I need the space. I am not a big fan of games, but form time to time, I like to try them.

That computer still has MS Windows 98 on it. That makes it tainted IMHO, just like every other system with MS Windows on it. But there's not much you can do about it, and I understand that. MS isn't benefiting much (if at all) in this rather rare case.
And like I said: you're headed in the right direction.

And thanks for the dictionary link... I do have Firefox, and I do have the necessary extensions, so it won't be needed next time...

I like using those dictionary links. I use them in my posts when confusion is in any way possible, and also when I've checked the meaning of the word to make sure it fits the occasion suitably.
If nothing else, regard them as an "I've done at least a small bit of extra work" guarantee.

[piratePenguin]

I disagree - the > < version lacks the information that warez < FSW

warez > paying < free software

If "warez > paying" and "paying < free software" then warez < free software.