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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #45 on: 9 December 2005, 20:55 »
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You can only say that because you are able to choose the linux distribution that suits you.
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #46 on: 9 December 2005, 21:52 »
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I'm in the same dilemma. Should I support their usage of Windows, to fund me in my tech jobs? (pays quite well.) Or should I insist they do otherwise?

I'll probably end up recommending Macs to laypeople, and if they refuse, I'll mutter "sucker" under my breath. :D

Yeah you should. It would be easy money for you, and mention Linux and see what they say. Let them pay you more money and hopefully they will draw their own conclusions and make the switch to Linux or buy a Mac.
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #47 on: 9 December 2005, 21:59 »
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You can only say that because you are able to choose the linux distribution that suits you.

What if Linspire was the only linux distribution, you'd probably have the same problems.

I agree with the spyware bit. Microsoft chose compatibility over putting in a proper user privileges system like linux's that would screw existing software.

Linspire from what I heard isnt that hot anyway. Your right it would be a bigger piece of shit if it was the only linux distro.

You can limit user rights in XP. We used to do that with the NT workstations back in the day. The DFU's (Dumb Fucking Users) would complain to their managers and the managers would complain to our manager and we would end up having us make the machine unsecure again. I would lock down a windows machine so users couldnt move an icon on the desktop, make them save their files to a network share, and limit them to firefox etc so they wouldnt fuck up the computer with a virus and spread it to the rest of the network. Needless to say I wanted to do the right thing despite the fact that would have affected my job security.
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #48 on: 10 December 2005, 12:12 »
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Weird, I don't run any security software and in the 5+ years or so that I have been running Windows 2000 I have never had one problem, neither have I had the problem that you mentioned (then again, that is what happens when you use Windows Explorer for a shell ;))

At least in Windows 2000 you have Program Manager. :D

Won't you be pissed when you find out your computer's been posting while you were at the movies.  :D

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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #49 on: 10 December 2005, 12:48 »
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Won't you be pissed when you find out your computer's been posting while you were at the movies.  :D

Hahaha, nope? :p

It has never happened. ;)


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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #50 on: 10 December 2005, 12:58 »
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Hahaha, nope? :p

It has never happened. ;)

Wait until Root gets home. :p

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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #51 on: 11 December 2005, 06:13 »
H_TeXMeX_H, I said I'd tell you how to keep a Windows box clean.....here ya go....

How to keep your Windows box secure

* Do not log on as an administrator. Create a limited account for yourself and USE IT religiously.

* When something doesn't work under your limited account, find out why it doesn't work and make the proper adjustments.

If in the rare case that you have a program that can't run under a limited account, make a shortcut that launches it under an admin account

* Install updates regularly

* Refrain from using Internet Explorer

* Run AV

* Run some sort of firewall (software/NAT router/etc) that blocks unsolicited connections from the internet


How to keep your Windows box stable

* Instead of bitching about them like a baby, learn how to troubleshoot windows kernel panics ("Blue screens")

Like linux and BSD and jsut about any other MODERN OS, OS crashes in Windows are almost allways caused by faulty hardware or drivers. If you are getting random reboots, do the following:

1) Log on as an admin
2) Right click on "My Computer"
3) Click on the "Advanced" tab
4) Click on settings by "Startup and recovery"
5) Uncheck the "Automatically Reboot" checkbox

Now, instead of rebooting, you computer will display a pretty blue screen with lots of informative information when it crashes. Use the information and Google to toubleshoot your problem. If your blue screen doesn't point to a specific driver, then you might have bad hardware. memtest86
is a good open source app for testing memory.

* Make sure all of the latest drivers for your hardware are installed.
* See above in the security section about not logging on as admin.

Buggy programs can sometimes do things by accident that will hose your system. Running them as a non admin will keep badly written programs from doing nasty things like corrupting your registry or deleting system files.

* Back Up your system state every once in awhile.

Sometimes when you install a new driver, the install doesn't go so well, or the driver just plain doesn't work and it will cause your computer to bluescreen on boot. backing up your system state using the built in backup utility before installing new drivers is a good way to revert back after a failed driver install. Safe mode should keep the dodgy driver from loading at boot. The neat thing about backing up your system state is that is creates a backup of your registry in "C:\WINDOWS\repair" that you can restore from the recovery console... (by copying the files over to "C:\WINDOWS\system32\config") so if you system get REALLY hosed and even safe mode doesn't work, you can still go into the recovery console and restore a known good copy of your registry.
















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Don't bitch like a baby when something doesn't work under your limited account. I hear this all the time from Windows users when someone tells them to not log on as admin. "But so and so doesn't work unless I'm admin!!" the whiny botches say. Well tough shit. You run Windows, not OSX. You asked how to make your machine secure. If you don't like the answer then shut the fuck up and use linux or buy an Apple! Lots of things do not work in linux/unix under regular accounts without having to adjust permissions or set SUID bits. Linux users don't log on as root to do their emailing/porn-surfing in linux just because certain apps they use neet root or a SUID bit set...why should Windows users?[/rant]
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #52 on: 14 December 2005, 12:05 »
In XP you don't even have to log out, just right click Run As and enter the admin name and pass.

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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #53 on: 14 December 2005, 15:39 »
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In XP you don't even have to log out, just right click Run As and enter the admin name and pass.

Not to mention you don't even need to log in, because of the stupid unpassworded login it gives you by default. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #54 on: 16 December 2005, 10:14 »
It's not so stupid. In XP accounts with no password cannot connect remotely by default, so the danger of having a blank admin password is not all that great.

The stupid part is the default user accounts being admin, but that's another story.
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #55 on: 16 December 2005, 10:47 »
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It's not so stupid. In XP accounts with no password cannot connect remotely by default, so the danger of having a blank admin password is not all that great.

The stupid part is the default user accounts being admin, but that's another story.

That's a bit odd, I don't understand why I don't have a problem using an admin account. :scared:

I'm supposing creating a different administrator account and not logging in as "Administrator" makes no difference. :rolleyes:


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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #56 on: 17 December 2005, 05:27 »
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That's a bit odd, I don't understand why I don't have a problem using an admin account. :scared:

I'm supposing creating a different administrator account and not logging in as "Administrator" makes no difference. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure WTF you're talking about here. Why would you have a "problem" using an administrator account?
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #57 on: 17 December 2005, 06:03 »
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I'm not sure WTF you're talking about here. Why would have a "problem" using an administrator account?
Why would who now?
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #58 on: 17 December 2005, 11:21 »
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Why would who now?

opps. meant to say "you". Edited my post.
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Re: Linux vs Windows a real life comparison
« Reply #59 on: 17 December 2005, 12:39 »
Rule of thumb: read your posts OUT LOUD before submitting.
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